But for the love of god, just keep nerfing other things. DO NOT BUFF ADCS
This is a step in the right direction. We need to keep toning down the damage to where adc's are used to kite again. Just hit everything until we have lower damage.
Somebody Love Me36 votesThey're not really nerfing damage though. They're just making everything feel like shit. Damage is still high as fuck, and everything is still oneshot or be oneshot. It's a giant chaotic fiesta now
AMYS GRAVE1 votesWell if they hold their guns with the support nerfs then the only way to balance things is to lower damage now that there is no options for defensive response. If they keep nerfing things they will eventually be forced to nerf damage.
Somebody Love Me6 votesAt this point, it's hard to fix everything that's fucked up. There's just too much.
Everything since preseason 7 (or even just the end of season 6) has led up to this point.
It's a long chain of events starting from whatever led to the assassin rework, which led to the lethality buffs, which led to the ADCin2017lul, which led to the ADC and support buffs, which led to the tank buffs, which led to more lethality buffs, and somewhere in all that, bruiser buffs and mage changes were thrown in.
And for some reason, any time a champ is said to be under-performing, riot just throws more damage into their kit, as if that would solve the problem. It's been going on like that for so long that there's too much of it.
For example, Lee Sin. "Oh wow we removed tracker's knife. We just nerfed Lee Sin. Damn he's missing some core utility to his kit. Instead of buffing his ward hop in some way, let's just add some damage to his kit."
Or Bard. "Bard is really not meeting standards as an enchanter, catcher, or whatever the fuck he's supposed to be. Instead of buffing his heal with a cooldown decrease or a heal increase, let's buff his meep damage. Let's make him a damage support"
AMYS GRAVE1 votesI would say it started sooner than that around the juggernaut update or preseason 6, but yeah. Pretty much sums it up.
3TWarrior2 votesit all started with the mastery update(whenever that was)...it threw the game into chaos
D2T Undeeds20 votesMeddler already announced ADC buffs for patch 8.13, more info will be provided in today's Quick Gameplay Thoughts
Khristophoros25 voteslmao
D357R0Y3R6 votesNo he announced buffs for CRIT adc that have 46% win rate
and any 46% win rate champs deserve buffs
Painted Celt8 votesContext? Riot should nerf the current higher winrate marksmen down to let the low performing ones compete, then they should give it a patch or two for players to experiment with a bot lane where marksmen are sufficiently weak to convince people to experiment with other bot-lane classes. After a patch or two of that, Riot could take a look at the meta that forms under those conditions and can decide which classes (AP DPS, Artillery Mages, magic on-hit Marksmen, etc.) are healthy as alternatives to marksmen in bot lane and can balance a diverse bot lane with multiple competing classes balanced in the role. I think that only after that point should marksmen be considered for buffs, because they'll be back-pedaling progress in a good direction otherwise.
Also crit is still really good right now but you don't rush build it. You build 2-3 non-crit items then finish your build lategame with 2-3 crit items if the game lasts long enough. In my experience, a good modern "crit" build path is something like:
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Where you can fit in a 
somewhere if needed or replace with 
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if you prefer.
D357R0Y3R6 votescrit is still really good
but crit adcs get raped by lucian and draven in lane ever since armor nerf+hp regen nerf+fleet footwork nerf
and if it isn't lucian it's vladimir or yasuo
Ionian Vulpix20 votesCorrection: ADCs who primarily built Crit OR played for the late game are trash.
and 
do not need crit and are all thriving right now.
But then you look at the ADCs who built crit 
or those who played for the lategame with whatever they built 
all get dumpstered because the games end too early for them to get their items.
Games end way too fast for these champs to prosper. Should the be buffed and made better early? No. Should the early game ADCs be nerfed? Possibly, but on a case by case basis. Games need to last longer for most ADCs to not be a burden on their team. League needs to slow the hell down. Buff turrets and get rid of the first turret gold.
DustyBunnies2 votesA lot of folks here on the boards are concerned about Adc power coming back. I admit as an Adc player that the changes are a good step in diversifying and a needed change, crit was an issue and I think they underlined it on purpose at first, but I also think what people fail to understand logically is that the Adcs who are thriving right now we’re either untouched by the ‘Adc’ changes or net buffed by items. In reality It wasn’t a change to Adcs, it was a change to crit specifically. And it’s left the Adc pool smaller than ever, so I can’t disagree more with this thread. One of five Adcs I see bot aside from the rare case, and they are 90% of the time accompanied by a damage support for harass. Because of this most people won’t touch the crit Adcs because they feel so bad even after two items, versus other Adcs who still retain their one or two item power spike. Fundamentally their(the concerned) reasoning is valid, but the issue is that people are thinking of it incorrectly. This wasn’t a cover all nerf to all Adcs, and it’s left most crit Adcs well behind and unable to catch up with the other Adcs who still have the exact same power they did before. Jinx is by far one of my favorite champs, and while I can play her passively well enough because of my accumulated hours of playing her, I don’t even often feel the two item powerspike unless I’m fortunate enough to get ahead. Often I’m just playing catch up, and less often it’s a powerspike I feel but rather feeling like I finally am on level with being able to do damage at all. Kai’sa is my current go to, because it’s far easier to feel my own impact early even though she’s meant to be a late game champ.
GigglesO8 votesBear with me. I’m trying to say that adcs as a class are weak, but in terms of game power we should be bringing classes down to them instead of buffing adcs. The game could use a nice round robin of nerfs to all classes.
DustyBunnies1 votesIn a perfect world this is the solution, and I totally agree! It wouldn’t feel bad if as an Adc I’m not at level 1 risk of being genuinely obliterated by Brand or soloed by an Ali with ignite. Since the start of the season, damage is just too high. Everyone dies too quickly, even assassins. Dying instantly as an Adc, and the compensation being strength, was a bad choice. Same said for assassin types. I would rather see everything toned down to where Adcs are now. I just doubt they will.
Hibeki2 votesXayah has a 54% wr lol
Daddy Ants3 votesXayah has a 54% wr lol
No she doesn't
https://gyazo.com/776c53c1e266f2186f0aeb949c770058
has a 54% Win rate and needs nerfing imo.
is on the edge of needing nerfs. 53% win rate, 34% play rate, 21%+ ban rate.
Saibbo3 votes->View Xayah's Stats at Champion.GG →
->Win Rate 47.83% 16 / 20
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Daddy Ants1 votes->View Xayah's Stats at Champion.GG →
->Win Rate 47.83% 16 / 20
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Using Champion.gg in 2018.
That site is inaccurate af, use Lolalytics.
Krupaz1 votesLucian is unbalancable. He's either too strong or too weak.
Nea10410 votesThey don't know how to fix this game anymore. It has been since PRESEASON, maybe even in Season 7. We are in June 2018, and things are just getting worse and worse :D
WubbaLubbaDubDab3 votesi think they know but they just dont want to.in order to "fix"the game they have to nerf things they do not want to
Nea1044 votesi think they know but they just dont want to.in order to "fix"the game they have to nerf things they do not want to
Yeah, but why? The game is in an awful state, and same was in november/december. They keep losing players also, so... I don't know :D
GigglesO2 votesConspiracy says they are making a new game and just round robin making things randomly strong to milk some cash before shutting down the game.
We sure as hell don’t see what their non-skin teams are doing.
WubbaLubbaDubDab1 votesThey keep losing players also, so... I don't know :D
they dont keep losing players if the players they lose were more than those they gain then they would take instant action,the "league is dying"thing is just a dumb lie.i believe riot is making experimentations to improve things behind the scene,ye the new adc meta is f*cked but i dont believe they will insta change things,they need to test stuff first.i believe things will improve.
Nea1041 votesthey dont keep losing players if the players they lose were more than those they gain then they would take instant action,the "league is dying"thing is just a dumb lie.i believe riot is making experimentations to improve things behind the scene,ye the new adc meta is f*cked but i dont believe they will insta change things,they need to test stuff first.i believe things will improve.
Excuse me? :D They already LOST a lot of players, considering both the gone and the new ones :D
And new players struggle more than before, both for the new (awful) BE system, both for the unfun state of the game.
They had had 6 months to try new "things". Pre-season was awful, and now... well :D
GigglesO2 votesI'm pretty sure they stopped releasing their player numbers when they started to decline.
MrHaZeYo9 votesI agree, but we both know that isn't going to happen.
hhaavviikk7 votesADC's being shit is how it should be in a meta that evolves around the early and mid game
Thilmer7 votesNow I don't get killed in 2 seconds by an ADC, but I get killed in 2 seconds by a Tryndamere or Master Yi.
When are they going to admit that the problem here is too much damage? Too much AD damage, in particular.
GigglesO4 votesI mean you forget the jax, yasuo and crew too.
AS I LAY FEEDING6 votesThey are going to buff the adc's and right after that the items, and the crit adc's will be OP again. Just change IE and Zeal items again.
Kitsunes Lust5 voteshalf of the comments are going to be agreed and the other half are going to be adc mains bitching up a storm. just watch
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
DontTouchMyBall2 voteshalf of the comments are going to be agreed and the other half are going to be adc mains bitching up a storm. just watch
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Cant wait to see the shitstorm too brother
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Kitsunes Lust2 votes
[slayer-pantheon-rainbows] rofl. time for some fun
WubbaLubbaDubDab5 votesriot needs to see this,they have a weird fetish in buffing anything that has an issue instead of nerfing the others.buffing the adc will ruin everything
Nankyoku4 votes??? Did you just make a logical suggestion? We don't do that here dude, since ADC damage is low early/mid game might as well increase it and make the game an even bigger circus than it already is.
Acheron164 votesI agree. Marksmen are trash not just because the crit nerfs (which were needed) but because everything else is strong
LawlessMaker4 votesBUT WE CAN'T EVEN KITE!! We get exploded in two hits or burned down so low we gotta flash away from the a fight or/and heal... And that's all in 0.1 seconds.... so really, unless ahead, we are just Super caster minions..
GigglesO2 votesThat’s why we gotta nerf the other champions too. Adcs was the first step in the right direction now we just need to keep going with the other classes damage.
Salson3 votesWell true, except towers and Baron. Those two need buffs.
Saibbo3 votesdown the damage to where adc's are used to kite again.
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Meep Man3 votesSomewhat incorrect. What we need is for games to last longer so ADCs can actually get to the stage of the game of their intended relevancy. That's almost impossible right now.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesMake it longer, and they'll still be useless, as they'll still be too far behind to matter.
Also nerfing the things that are stomping the shit out of them is what would make it longer. Riot can't just magically make the game longer. There's no magic lever that makes games longer without changing anything else.
borbes3 votesNot might be. They absolutely are. I'll take Aatrox bot lane over any adc. 1st tower every game vs an adc. Nothing you can do about it.
Shuriman Curator2 votesThere is a new post in the dev corner about snowball, reducing damage isn't something their thinking about lmao
GigglesO2 votesWe wouldn't want to admit the thing making our games shorter is also the thing making it miserable... We wouldn't dare want to lengthen games. Those poor kids with add wouldn't be able to play anymore.
Shuriman Curator3 votesWe wouldn't want to admit the thing making our games shorter is also the thing making it miserable... We wouldn't dare want to lengthen games. Those poor kids with add wouldn't be able to play anymore.
im going over to that thread to see what they think on damage lol
GigglesO3 votesThey avoid talking about damage at all costs. They don't want to open that can of worms. We need to 100% blame everything else first.
muted team chat2 votesThe premise of the thread is wrong. ADCs are not trash.
