PBE mage update

Shac Norris··5 votes·798 views

>''Mana Regeneration style mages is an attrition battle. It's just one of Health Regeneration for the defending team rather than one of being accurate with your spells for the aggressor.

>I'd argue that standing there being hit by infinite spells getting whittled down slowly has never really been a siege environment that's been particularly enjoyable.''

If you don't want people to spam abilities, then why the hell would you stamp CDR on every damn ap items (because lets be honest, every single core AP item for ANY mage just got nerfed by ~20 ap each)

I just feel like people will stop playing high-mana cost champions such as Ziggs altogether because of crap like that.

** Tear of the Goddess

Mana Regeneration: 25% --> 0%
Additional Passive - Awe: Refunds 25% of Mana spent**

Oh wait, now that makes sense, you guys want to make mages as weak as possible early game.

It's almost mandatory to buy RoA or Zhonya's as your first item nowadays, because ad mid laners dominate the lane. And now you're trying to shove this crap, that will probably make mages even more useless early game, down our throats?

** Catalyst the Protector of Aeons

Valor's Reward passive removed
New Passive - Eternity: 15% of damage taken from champion is gained as Mana. 15% of Mana spent is gained as Health.
(Healing limited to 25 per spell cast or 25 per second for toggled spells.)*

** OH I SEE NOW, we're actually fucking supposed to get wrecked by them, so that we get mana, and use the mana to heal ourselves, right? Yet they said that they hated the concept of mages spamming abilities..

You guys just keep contradicting yourselves.. AP casters will now get ~60-70 less AP after building 3 items then before, of course it costs less gold, but that doesn't add slots to your inventory now does it? And they basically force you to buy a tear, completly removing the ''discount'' on the ap items.

I hope that i'm wrong and that RIOT actually knows that they're doing. Even though they've proven me right on so many other occasions.

By the way i've taken this from the guy who posted this PBE patch earlier, you can go check it yourself.

8 Comments

ChaddyFantome2 votes

There is a difference between having the choice to spam abilities and wanting people to spam abilities. Having a CD up gives you an option and a window to make a decision. It does not automatically equate to "im off CD now use me!". It can also equate to "is using me now a good idea?", which promotes actual management of ones mana bar and CDs.

Shac Norris1 votes

They force you to buy a item 3070, which means that you're gonna be spamming the shit out of those spells to make up for the lack of mana regen.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

Not really. you spam spells with tear to stack it, not make up for regen. Doing that would get u oom before the returns kick in. Even on live where it has regen on it.

Shac Norris1 votes

If you want to keep up with the other AD mids, you have to spam spells just like they do, the moment you dont have much mana, you lose the lane. So if you main a champion who doesnt have great waveclear with their spells, you're pretty much fucked.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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If you want to keep up with the other AD mids, you have to spam spells just like they do, the moment you dont have much mana, you lose the lane. So if you main a champion who doesnt have great waveclear with their spells, you're pretty much fucked.

And by other AD mids you mean Zed? Because Talon doesn't spam his spells unless he wants to run oom and he doesnt have any mana regen options let alone straight mana.

No you don't.

LOL Spammer1 votes

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Shac Norris1 votes

Are you serious?.. hold on lemme look it up

omg xD well i guess some people are going to mistake me for a fanboy now!

I chose my name because it sounds like Chuck Norris, and also includes almost all letters of the name of my main, Shaco. Shac 'O Norris basically.

Stacona1 votes

First of all you are replying in emotion rather than thinking rationally, also the ONLY thing to be upset about is the Grail change which should not occur. For the record Grail would give a shit ton of regen because that chalice passive doubles all your mana regen so 175% mana regen with that passive is really 350% mana regen or +250% base mana regen and 200% health regen and if you get a spirit visage then it makes you have 750% health regen (+650% base health regen); op heimerdinger build yo.

Seriously though the Grail change should be the only one not implemented, what they should do is remove the MR on chalice/grail replace the MR on chalice with AP and lower Grail's price by 450 gold (because the stats would be the same minus the magic resistance). It will balance out the item a lot better and make it a decision between raw power and early power of Morellos with the extra AP, 20% mana restored on level ups and grievous wounds vs the weaker offensive item of Grail but has the mana regen for long standing fights.


You are forgetting that if there is more Mana on items then Archangels is buffed up because it will equally grant more AP on top of having 25% reduced mana costs is a massive buff to mages (also Corki manamune will be really strong with that cost reduction). Now the Catalyst passive is super strong because in teamfights you will be taking champion damage no matter what and does present a strong amount of sustain especially when factoring in Tear items' cost return so you get mana back and heal yourself while just simply team fighting normally; now the Catalyst is too low at 15% because I did the math on that a better number would be 25% for both the damage taken to mana and mana cost to health.


Besides the Grail change that should not happen, the only items losing some AP are defense ones of Hourglass and Abyssal Scepter which is appropriate, otherwise you are not losing out on AP especially since if there are more Mana items in circulation that buffs Archangel's Ability Power, Morellos and Archangels combination will be super strong together with the Mana and CDR working together. You can get a Hextech Frost Scepter for slightly more burst and waveclear and extra Mana for more AP on Archangels and the heal just for spending Mana with Tear items' 25% cost reduction (hello gold hairpin) but since it is a refund and not a true cost reduction it does not interfere with Catalyst's healing.

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