Evelyn's Ravage needs to stay physical or she will be even weaker than before.

googlemaster·Jan 14, 2015·2 votes·1,236 views

you dont build mpen on evelyn on any item and you should be running hybrid reds if you are jungling. and ravage dealing physical stops people from building straight magic resist to counter her. this is why jax does magic damage on all his abilities so you cant just build randuins and completely shut him down.

yes, it was changed so it doesnt combo with DFG. but it doesnt need to go back just because its gone. its like people think that building ap automatically makes it weaker if its physical damage. hell, even the mastery adds dual pen so it doesnt matter.

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SerBlaiseJan 14, 20154 votes

Jax deals physical damage on Q and E.

googlemasterJan 14, 20151 votes

and his 2 main damage spells are both magic

Sire HippingtonJan 14, 20151 votes

his main damage comes from AAs, which is physical. most jax i see have ~60-70% physical damage dealt in the end of game stats

SerBlaiseJan 14, 20151 votes

I know, I was pointing out your error in your OP:

this is why jax does magic damage on all his abilities

I'm fine with Eve's E being physical.

RebonackJan 14, 20153 votes

Dealing only one damage type is best for anyone who feels like building Void/Whisper. And they should be building Void/Whisper because they're the two most potent damage amplifying items in the game.

Champions with mixed damage either need built in hybrid shred (Kog and Kayle), ABSURD damage (Jax and Akali), or high innate tankiness (Mundo and Shy) in order to function. Eve has none of those qualities.

googlemasterJan 14, 20153 votes

eve does not build either of them. so bringing it up is moot. jax does not build absurd damage, he goes bork triforce tanky. tons of damage is like trynd. theirs is standard offtank. and they dont build whisper/void either.

eve is not an assassin and does not build pen. she has been for a long time now an ap bruiser. changing to magic damage does nothing but make MR more effective against her since any pen she has is dual.

Sire HippingtonJan 14, 20151 votes

eve does not built either of them anymore. Before the ravage change, ap-eve with magic-penetration was a very potent thing, so there is no reason why it wouldn't after reverting the change. Eve always was a assasin, till that ravage change came in. And with the new on-hit on ravavge, one could consider wit's or nashors on a more bruiserish eve.

jax does not built absured damage, he HAS absurde damage. at lvl 18 without any items, jax has simply the highest dps aongst all champions(atleast with stacked passive). While having very high basevalues, he also has good scalings, allowing him to only built two off items and still be a massive threat. generally on bruisers/tanks, mixed damage is good as it keeps you damage relevant even if the enemy stacks armor or mr, as you can't afford much pen-items on them. On damage focused roles like assasins or carrys, single type damage is better as they can afford penetration and thus maximize their damage. So in the end, it comes down to wether eve should be a bruiser or a assasin. Her lore and her past highly suggest assasin, her kit could be tuned towards either of the two.

Done25Jan 14, 20151 votes

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Dealing only one damage type is best for anyone who feels like building Void/Whisper. And they should be building Void/Whisper because they're the two most potent damage amplifying items in the game.

And you don't think that that is something they need to fix?

RebonackJan 14, 20152 votes

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And you don't think that that is something they need to fix?

Yes, that's something they need to fix. Swapping %Pen over to bonus resist only would just make things worse. What Riot needs to do is to make flat pen apply before %pen and then make a high-cost +25% bonus HP item to serve as a soft-counter to %pen.

But that's a discussion for a different topic and largely immaterial to the fact that Void/Whisper are the best offensive items in the game.

Done25Jan 14, 20151 votes

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Yes, that's something they need to fix. Swapping %Pen over to bonus resist only would just make things worse. What Riot needs to do is to make flat pen apply before %pen and then make a high-cost +25% bonus HP item to serve as a soft-counter to %pen.

But that's a discussion for a different topic and largely immaterial to the fact that Void/Whisper are the best offensive items in the game.

I think they could stand to just remove the item entirely then rework defense from there to be less oppressive without it.

Just follow this logic with me:

Graves is getting Fed. (With a capital F) You buy Thornmail to try and reduce his effectiveness. He buys Last Whisper and ignores your Thornmail. ????? Profit? (For Graves at least.)

The problem is that, how do you counter Last Whisper? HP items keep getting nerfed into oblivion. [Hello Warmogs...] and BotRK wrecks HP stacking anyways.

It's not like they don't already have the advantage for taking objectives like Dragon or Tower with their 300 AD and 1.5+ attack speed.

RebonackJan 14, 20151 votes

eve does not build either of them.

Well no shit.

She doesn't build %Pen because Riot gave her mixed damage. Magic Pen stacking was standard practice on Eve before her E was turned into physical damage.

Skia AsteriJan 14, 20151 votes

Whether magic or physical damage is better depends entirely upon the defensive stats of the target. However, in most cases magic damage is better late game simply because base magic resist is lower than base armour at that point and large MR items give less than large armour items.

Magic damage is also better for clearing the jungle quickly as the camps have negative magic resist.