- Probably unpopular opinion - Nightfall looks rather weak.

TehNACHO·Dec 19, 2015·2 votes·475 views

The passive of the new AD Assassin item

I mean, the amount of health you need to be missing in order for it to kill is fucking massive, and if you're that low while sitting in melee range of an AD Assassin, you're probably going to die anyway.

And yes, it does matter that you actually kill your target. At a 60 second cooldown, it'd be a fantastic waste of an automatically triggering passive to not secure a kill with that.

Not to mention it makes trades an absolute mess, having to coordinate between lane interaction, the cooldwn of your ultimate ability, and the cooldown of this item if you come to rely on it.

12 Comments

CindikleDec 19, 20152 votes

Thing is, it's a strong item without the passive.

75 AD, 10 armor pen. That alone is strong. MS is nice, but 5% isn't really anything too special. Most assassins have good MS.

The passive is good too. While you lack control of it. It's a great finisher. Most melee assassins are not meleeing unless they're trying to get a kill. Most assassins with this, ignite and a basic combo will kill their target. At the same time this keeps it weak on non-assassiny AD's who melee a lot.

Will overall depend on the gold cost.

TehNACHODec 19, 20151 votes

Will overall depend on the gold cost.

It's already confirmed to be a huge investment of a +3000 gold item.

CindikleDec 19, 20151 votes

Compare it to Ravenous Hydra. Which is 3600.

Same AD.

I'd assume Hydra's active would deal less damage if either one was only used once. Assuming lets say 300AD(probably a bit high). Hydra would do 180 damage at best. Meaning your target only has to be missing 540HP for this new item to be better. Which by the time you have 300 AD. That's not even an ult rotation.

Trading base Hp regen and lifesteal for 10 armor pen and 5% MS.

If this new item costs 3600 it'd be on par with Hydra in terms of general power. But geared for assassins better. HP regen isn't anything special. Lifesteal is nice, but there are other ways to get that(including getting both items).

Which with that in mind of having both or BotRK. Do you really want one more active?

I think the only worry about this items power is if ADC's abuse it. Which Riot said they'll watch and make it melee only if it comes to that.

PennsDec 19, 20151 votes

If its passive kills someone, you dont get a reset on it anyway kek

CindikleDec 19, 20152 votes

If they die before the passive procs it resets. If the passive does the killing, it goes on cooldown.

RalanrDec 19, 20151 votes

Isn't that the name of Mordekaiser's mace?

Malicious MetalDec 19, 20151 votes

It is.

RalanrDec 19, 20151 votes

Odd how they use this on an assassin item.

I know gameplay is supposed to be separate from story, but I wonder if there is a connection.

Malicious MetalDec 19, 20151 votes

Yeah, it's kinda awkward.

Then again, they could change one letter in Morde's lore and it would be named "Knightfall", being a nudge to how easily he manages to crush knights.

RalanrDec 19, 20151 votes

But that's too...oh wait, Phreak has a history.

Nevermind.

BluePolarizerDec 19, 20151 votes

I actually think this item is stronger on AD bruisers than AD assassins.

Most AD assassins right now are actually autoattack focused like Rengar Talon Zed that use spells to poke more than to finish, if they even bother using their spells post mid-game. From what I know, high elo Talon players don't even Rake late game unless they need it to finish off their target since the animation takes longer than auto/Q/ult which finishes off a squishy easily. Most AD bruisers on the other hand are AD casters like Riven Darius but this item does little for a crit assassin or an autoattacker.

However, it is amazing on AD casters:

They have really high base damage and can still deal high damage to squishies.
They can, if needed, hold autos until it is sure to kill.
Arpen and AD scales better on AD bruisers than autoattackers due to high base damage.