"Every streamer says Swain sucks so he does." Well he does not and here's why

Evil Bisex Plant··12 votes·1,199 views

So after onetricking Swain for two weeks now I only made sure about things I thought upon the release. I maintain 73% winrate on him with my losses being actually influenced by outer factors (like an important conversation with my relatives while ingame). "But you were playing him only on Silver-Plat elo normals!" Yes, I did, but elo is zero factor in my decision, all is decided by facts and if you read this, you will se what are those. Let's begin:

#1. "Wow Swain is trash, he deals zero damage." Quoted: Every streamer right now. Well guess what, how can you even be surprised?! You all are using fking Glacial Augment and Unsealed Spellbook and you build basically full mana on him every single game! Shiphtur actually is the only one who had kinda good build and still coplained about his ult damage - DUDE, you had three souls. Here's what you do: Skip the fking light blue rune tree, just don't look at it at all. Instead, you take Electrocute (we'll get to that later again), Cheap Shot, Eyeball Collection and Ravenous(?) Hunter (the healing one). As the second tree, you take Precision: Triumph and Coup de Grace. Congratulations, now you deal damage.

#2. I'll take Q on the 1st level because it makes sense. Yes, if you want to have mediocre damage at best that doesn't even go through creeps and costs shit ton of mana. Why on earth would you not take E instead and have:

  1. damage that goes through creeps
  2. hard CC
  3. access to another damage source (P: Ravenous Flock)
  4. ANOTHER hard CC
  5. healing
  6. for less mana
  7. only on like 140% of the CD Well now Q seems VERY reasonable to take on level one, right? BUT THAT'S NOT ALL, FOLKS! On top of all of this, you ALSO get a free Electrocute proc with E -> pull -> AA combo and I guarantee, this thing will get every midlaner on half their health and every toplaner on 2/3. From. One. Combo. Like. This. You do this on level one once and your enemy will very well think about trying to get any of that farm.

#3. But his W is so hard to hit! Wow, it almost looks like it was designed to hit in 50% scenarios at best! The thing has 3500 range and gives vision. It's name is VISION OF EMPIRE. It was really hard for me to figure out what this spell is meant to do! But! There's truth in between actually. Not only it gives vision in massive range (I don't get why HIGH ELO streamers don't think it's a good spell based purely on this), it's also perfect for zoning or catching up to running enemies. It's so easy to land Nevermove when they can move only into it or get slowed by Vision of Empire. Did I forget something? Like how you can scout for enemy jungler from safety with a chance of stealinh his camp/force him to use Smite/force him to slow his clear because of the need to dodge it or collect souls from him - which btw heals you, the same as every pull. You can also hit it for sure by E -> place it in front of the enemy -> pull them into it. Or just place it behind them and force them to walk up to you to take full Q. There are so many uses!

#4. You are still building him WRONG. All of you! I mean, this thing will change with the AP items update as I'll have to figure out the best items for him yet, but currently he actually benefits from the miserable state of AP items and Liandry's having both anti-tank and flat pene. My build goes like this:

  1. Morello (For all of you who said before: "But he's so mana hungry, he needs Manaflow Band!" No, after the Lost Chapter, he does not.)
  2. SORCERER'S ("Why don't I deal damage?" Well maybe it's the any other boots you have and don't need.)
  3. Haunting Guise.
  4. Stopwatch. 5.1. Did you use Stopwatch? Zhonya. 5.2. Did you not? Are you ahead? Finish Liandry's. 5.3. Did you not? Are you behind? Are you against a fed AP? Spectre's Cowl.
  5. Finish Liandry's.
  6. Finish Zhonya. 8.1. Are you damaging tanks? Finish Spirit Visage. 8.2 Are you not? Void Staff. You get to full pene items which are a necessity while still being tanky thanks to the bonus HP, resistances, Ravenous Hunter(?) + spammable Q + item 3065 + your ult; which leads us to another point:

#5. Don't Demonflare prematurely, but don't miss the opportunity to finish a target Start: It's important to know that you get healed upon the cast, so if there is an engaging spell your enemy will use, save your ult AFTER that spell so you can negate it's damage for free instead of ulting right away. Course: You are tanky with this build, especially if you are killing stuff, which is the reason for my early squishy AP build: You get souls from dead champions = healing. Triumph. RH(?) - this scales with damage dealt. And the ult heal over time itself scales with AP. If you follow my instructions, there are very few champions that can outdamage this is early-to-mid game. You don't spend mana so Catalyst's passive Eternity does not heal you in the process and Q spamming is not worth the early AP! End: You will need experience to know when your ult deals enough damage to kill, that's for sure. But don't pop it to kill one target in the heat of a teamfight, that's not worth (usually). Especially if you don't have enough souls to inflict high AoE damage. It depends on your target selection, how fed and confident you are you won't die right after. Which actually leads us to another poit again:

#6. Were you only listening to the audio? Because otherwise you must have seen how all the streamers sucked. It's the simple stuff! They were all missing all the skillshots, not utilizing his W properly (almost like they gave on that spell up before they even used it), not pulling enemies - either for a free kill or to heal themselves when they were dying, the mentioned target selection - they ult and then they are pinging between spread enemies while not being able to catch up to either (here the W could've been utilized, remember?), ultimately failing at everything! There was almost never any moment in those videos where would say: "Wow, this was actually played well," and ACTUALLY NEVER a moment where I would say: "Wow, this was actually played well, how come he did not do any damage?" And even if i was, the answer would be clear: Your build and runes suck, that's why!

This got way longer than I planned so I'm leaving it now. If anyone is interested in the actual match history, it's an account BisexualPlantBoi on EUNE (which got permabanned on Boards because I have made some very mean comments while I had a very bad period of life and struggled with mental health, that's why I do not post this directly from that account but rather use this one).

#Thanks you for your attention.

24 Comments

Purgë6 votes

lol wtf e is usless lvl 1 agains half decent enemys , u take q lvl 1 since it deal good amount of damage and helps u farm ,e have a long cdr compared to q u take e second so u get the sustain and the soul fragment

Evil Bisex Plant4 votes

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lol wtf e is usless lvl 1 agains half decent enemys , u take q lvl 1 since it deal good amount of damage and helps u farm ,e have a long cdr compared to q u take e second so u get the sustain and the soul fragment

Not arguing with that cuz you are just wrong... lmao.

TitanAnteus1 votes

E cooldown too high. Lowest cooldown spell first makes the most sense.

Pika Fox2 votes

Not always. You arent level 1 long in the game, and often if you have the utility to do so you grab the utility spell first depending on who you are, what youre doing on what youre up against.

Q CD doesnt matter if you lose your lane picking it first.

Evil Bisex Plant1 votes

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E cooldown too high. Lowest cooldown spell first makes the most sense.

when the cost is too high for the outcome, low cooldown is a useless benefit. But please don't confuse, I take it on level 2 and max first.

Illâoi Evê Siôn3 votes

Nice thread.

Hopefully, players will learn how to play Swain before he gets overbuffed.

Evil Bisex Plant4 votes

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Nice thread.

Hopefully, players will learn how to play Swain before he gets overbuffed.

Thanks, that's the reason I'm making this, I don't want him to be pick or ban. Also I hate playing OP champs.

Tokogawaruf1 votes

This remembers me of the In- and Outgame Drama I had with my Brother who fell in love with Ornn, more or less mastered him at the Release (Back when W made unstopable, and Ult wasn´t instacast), just to see him getting Overbuffed, permabanned and labeled as Cancer. It was so sad to watch.

Evil Bisex Plant1 votes

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This remembers me of the In- and Outgame Drama I had with my Brother who fell in love with Ornn, more or less mastered him at the Release (Back when W made unstopable, and Ult wasn´t instacast), just to see him getting Overbuffed, permabanned and labeled as Cancer. It was so sad to watch.

It is not unpopular to call Swain Ornn 2.0

Tokogawaruf1 votes

I really, really hope not another group of Mains have to go through the Terror that is Overbuffing.

Sasogwa2 votes

For the moment, almost every Swain I faced or had in my team was kinda weak. But I'm gonna wait until people figure him out before forging myself an opinion. After all, release Yasuo, Elise etc. had a bad winrate and yet afterwhile become among the most broken champions dominating soloQ and competitive for a little while before getting nerfed

Maldini302 votes

So my question is

which one is Beatrice again?

The Ecdysiast2 votes

I don't really think a level 13 EUNE player has much weight to speak on the subject of balance, especially weighed against streamers.

Evil Bisex Plant4 votes

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I don't really think a level 13 EUNE player has much weight to speak on the subject of balance, especially weighed against streamers.

I don't really think someone who did not read the post has much weight to speak about said post.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

This could be Faker's EUNE account for all you know, lol.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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This could be Faker's EUNE account for all you know, lol.

https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FDNx71PkWsAAz1Ds.jpg&key=f0abbd34f14549f3a15cd94dd9970851&width=425

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

People really seem to believe everything they get told in these videos.

Saw someone posting a video of a high elo player here in the boards saying that Swain is bad. After stating that and 15 minutes into the game, said player was reading and trying out his E, since he didn't know how the root works.

Like, come on, at least make sure you understand what every spell does before you say that a champ is bad...

nelogis1 votes

I prefer to go ROA into Zhonyeas in most cases and then straight magic pen

Also I'm playing him mid since I think he sucks top (or is at least weaker there)

By the way what are you maxing? I max W second (after Q) and it does SO much damage!

For Runes I go comet/band/10% CDR thing/storm stopwatch/futures market

I can see the use of electrolute but then again going morello (which is going to be changed next patch) for mana seems eehh.... too squishy for too long in my eyes

Starting Q lvl 1 helps you to push the wave faster (which is important in mid) and getting to your lvl 3 power spike.

He is actually getting buffed next patch and I think he is going to be busted as hell.

Evil Bisex Plant2 votes

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I prefer to go ROA into Zhonyeas in most cases and then straight magic pen

Also I'm playing him mid since I think he sucks top (or is at least weaker there)

By the way what are you maxing? I max W second (after Q) and it does SO much damage!

For Runes I go comet/band/10% CDR thing/storm stopwatch/futures market

I can see the use of electrolute but then again going morello (which is going to be changed next patch) for mana seems eehh.... too squishy for too long in my eyes

Starting Q lvl 1 helps you to push the wave faster (which is important in mid) and getting to your lvl 3 power spike.

He is actually getting buffed next patch and I think he is going to be busted as hell.

I don't like RoA because the powerspike is just too slow, Morello allows me to start rolling wayyy sooner.

I'm maxing E second, as much as I defend W, it's not worth to max it second, E is just too good and let's you catch up to your targets much better.

I'm actually never havin problems with my squishiness (which I explained in the post). Next patch it's probably gonna be Archangel's (Luden is gonna be shit/not enough mana for Swain too, GLP... Idk, I might try it). The rest of the build is not for sure though.

You don't need to push lane on level 1, especially not with Q - it costs way too much mana and you are gonna get ganked in the instance you get to the river level and they make you burn your Flash at best.

know he's getting buffed and these buffs are actually ones I agree with, but I would like to avoid the Ornn scenario.

MorgManBasher1 votes

Good meme Your wafiu sucks.

Diamond2Kappa1 votes

Its a new champ that isnt a burst champ so everyone saying he is weak is a given heh

Rootlo1 votes

I played Vs a Swain yesterday. Had comet and went full damage. I was Full AP galio. I literally just stood in his attacks and manhandled him all game. There was no point in the game where i was worried about him damaging me because he did negative damage to me.

Evil Bisex Plant2 votes

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I played Vs a Swain yesterday. Had comet and went full damage. I was Full AP galio. I literally just stood in his attacks and manhandled him all game. There was no point in the game where i was worried about him damaging me because he did negative damage to me.

I hope you as GALIO playing against AP champion is not how you judge strength of the champion...

Rootlo1 votes

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I hope you as GALIO playing against AP champion is not how you judge strength of the champion...

Full AP maxing W last. All game i had only a <200 magic damage shield if that. I still take more damage than Kass would lol. Swain is just useless and does no damage.

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