So Sejuani changes on the pbe, only the nerfs, all buffs are gone.

Grethorian·Nov 26, 2014·10 votes·3,486 views

Here is the mess:

Sejuani

Artic Assault [Q] - No longer deals additional damage according to a % of the target's maximum health

Flail of the Northern Winds [W] - Bonus damage is now based on a % of the target's (and all those in the AoE) maximum health. Now also deals 40/70/100/130/160 damage over 6 seconds (down from 80/120/160/200/240)

Permafrost [E] - Damage lowered to 60/90/120/150/180 (down from 60/110/160/210/260) and duration lowered to 1.5 across all ranks (down from 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5)

19 Comments

TalamareNov 26, 20149 votes

I think I understand what is happening here, let me explain

Sejuani was actually decent at killing ADC, so they gutted her They held her down and absolutely destroyed every aspect of her

and as a consolation prize, they managed to find a way to nerf tanks again! (Dealing % enemy hp in damage is a direct nerf to tanks)

TengrichanNov 26, 20147 votes

Woah that's some bullshit right there.

TalamareNov 26, 20146 votes

Basically turning her into a janky amumu

GundayMondayNov 26, 20144 votes

Hi, Diamond Sej main here. Best Jungle Sej NA.

This is terrible. Really hope these changes don't stick.

Part of Sej's strength was being able to peel/engage on the enemy frontline with her Q mid-late game. Now you have no weapon against tanks. I like the W change for late game power, but no one will stand there and take the full duration of the damage. Especially now that the Permafrost slow got nerfed.

Sure if you build 40% cooldown reduction and max E first you'll have a slow up every 4 seconds or so, but there are so many champions that will just dash away and make it so that never happens. (Looking at you Kalista )

Plus the game will probably end before you get a chance to max E due to your extremely weak early game.

The early jungle clear is going to be ROUGH now. Nerfing early W damage is going to make Sejuani unplayable in the jungle, since your clear will be too slow to stay relevant. Let's say I'm running my standard Sej tank build. I'll have ~670 hp. 4% of that is ~27 extra damage. But we're losing 40+ damage with the nerf. It'll even out late game as I stack health in tank mode, but I will most likely never get to late game with these changes as my team will surrender at 20.

I also don't understand the new AP scaling? Sej's AP ratios are terrible. So you don't build AP, you build magic pen. So I don't understand the "3% AP per every 100 AP" on your empowered W auto? Makes zero sense. You're telling me to build items that don't benefit me. This doesn't fit with the new Riot mission statements around clarity and meaningful choices. The only choice is to not play Sej T_T

Happy to help out and provide detailed math/feedback/wordy rants around why these changes should never happen. Let me know Riot!

FleuretNov 26, 20143 votes

You're leaving out a few numbers. If you're going to say its nerfs. Might as well be exact. Although. I don't think she was nerfed.

GrethorianNov 26, 20148 votes

The "few numbers" like total hp scaling on aoe and cd reduction on E are gone

Sire HippingtonNov 26, 20142 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/11/1125-pbe-update.html#more they are still there...

Khell DarkWolfNov 26, 20141 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/11/1125-pbe-update.html#more they are still there...

Were getting conflicted reports of what the actual patch notes are: http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/30265-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-11-25-2014

The tweet has the cooldown reduction on using E, but ~~Surrendarat20 ~~ Reignofgaming (EDIT: Man I must be drunk my bad) say it isn't in there.

Need to confirm with someone with a PBE account to know whats up.

GrethorianNov 26, 20141 votes

ok, i really hope reignofgaming made a mistake there, otherwise it would destroy her.

Sire HippingtonNov 26, 20142 votes

got pbe, last time i testet the buffs were there

KzooCrasherNov 26, 20142 votes

She was buffes overall

Lumus AvatarNov 26, 20142 votes

%max hp damage is bullshit and they really need to stop using it. I don't understand why it's a thing. It takes the tank archetype and says "You now have effectively the same hp as everyone else because this person's damage scales with your hp." How to gut a tank 101

ArveanorNov 26, 20143 votes

I actually think %max hp damage is fantastic for tanks themselves to use, since it gives them a decent base of damage without having to build for it. And it usually takes way more AP than a tank is willing to invest in to get large gains out of it, so I think they need to keep up with %max hp damage, but if they give it to a carry, they should make sure they are losing something for being a niche "tank killer".

I Summons INov 26, 20142 votes

Didn't they increase her ap ratios? AP sej ftw

Dominick DestineNov 27, 20141 votes

Didn't they increase her ap ratios? AP sej ftw

AP Sej sucks, might as well go AP amumu instead.

Duke AnaxNov 26, 20141 votes

Flails destription is a bit weird. is it that each target get's bonus damage on it's own health. Or is the bonus damage to all targets based on the total health in range.