Re: the Swain rework. if you have to sacrifice something, choose the lore rather than the gameplay

abdul569··2 votes·804 views

As a Swain main, I realise the clash between being a tactical mastermind that works behind the shadows and a beserk half-vastayan bird person that charges into the enemy head first draining his foe's lifeforce.

However, if I am to choose out of the two aspects, I would prefer the bird person draintank. If riot can somehow manage to do both then all the better.

I loved swain's playstyle when i first bought him and only decided to read the lore afterwards which I loved too but it was in that order. I didn't choose swain as my #1 because of the lore, I looked into the lore because he was my #1

If he has to become a battle mage in the Noxian army to fit the gameplay, I would prefer that over him being a tactical genius and his gameplay reflect that (unless he can be both at the same time ofc)

tldr: change lore over gameplay if a choice has to be made.

Edit: I haven't played swain in a while because, honestly, I'm a bit afraid he won't be who he once was and so been maining other champs like ww/urgot who already got their rework

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ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

I agree, in a way.

I want to see them tweak the lore a bit to make his gameplay fit better. The line, to me, that defines Swain is this one: "If we approach strategically from the flank... oh, who am I kidding? Let's just morph and eat them."

I don't want to see berserk, necessarily. I want to see a character that is cunning, but not used to needing tactics to win fights. In game, his key strategy is biding his time until the moment is right to go bird-man and strike hard. Once in, it's very hard to get out.

I want to see that reflected in his lore. I want to see someone who is waiting for the right moment to strike, but isn't afraid to get his talons messy. A real bird of prey. A bit of a lurker, perhaps. I don't want to see berserk, necessarily; I see something different forming behind the lore and character that we have now.

Titanium702 votes

I think both is manageable!

He's a smart tactian as a human. He's a strong fighter when transformed. And he wants to make best use of his powers. Aka swing between backline and frontline during a Teamfight.

Im mean: Strong ruthless fighting Leaders... that's the essence of Noxus!

I don't think that's so impossible to implement correctly.

All I'm hoping for that he'll still be a viable choice for Mid-Lane and not just another Top. And that they don't decide to give him a 2 minute Ult CD...

JustJayson2 votes

Wait...people actually read the lore?

Shuyin1781 votes

The problem with Swain is that he's so boring to play. His kit feels outdated and not engaging to play, especially when you hit 6 and just stand around with your R going.

Paladin 0f Life1 votes

As a swain main myself I am very scared that riot will add a freaking line skilshot like xin W, ryze Q, kayn, morg Q since it is "healthy". Riot did say that they were going for tyrant ruler vs the tactician theme so at least thats good. I love swains kit minus the W. But if they remove the E dot with Q interaction i will actually quit league for awhile. It is simple, effective and lane bully playstyle unique to any other mage. It would be awesome if he was able to farm more consistent under tower as is his main weakness. But his whole kit is unique and i love his Q, E and R. He has glaring strengths and weaknesses so i really hope they dont do a xin or poppy to swain. They better keep him as one of the only AP bruisers or I might get banned. I hope they go for sustain damage bruiser and dont try to make him a tank or mage.

Terror131 votes

Swains not vastian, It's clear hes some kinda warlock/demon sorcerer thats had an infernal apotheosis.

Hes more of an Arch Fiend imo, masquerading as a man.

He'll always be a tactical genius, they just want him as the kind of genius thats on the throne of noxus and not like in a war tent is all they are saying.

So like his new title might be "Swain, The Tyrant Fiend" "Swain, The Archfiend" "Swain, The Supreme Ruler" or something like that.

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