After getting hit by Azir whom only had a nashors tooth i can say one thing.

Defended··12 votes·1,455 views

Fuck all of you that said he was ''gutted'' because he lost some seconds on his Ult

Azir W-Q = 40% of your health + guarenteed 2 autos with rylais

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JamesTheMage175 votes

Azir is broken, nuff said.

blfUvZ8Ybu4 votes

Buy MR.

Blåbæret7 votes

Kind of sad when the entire team gotta stack MMR not to be instakilled by this ridiculous champ.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

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Kind of sad when the entire team gotta stack MMR not to be instakilled by this ridiculous champ.

Azir is magnificent champion.He is viable and fine.

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

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Kind of sad when the entire team gotta stack MMR not to be instakilled by this ridiculous champ.

You mean like how everyone also stacks MR against fizz, LB, or any other fed AP carry?

Or how you would buy armor/health against a zed?

honestly, what is it up with the Anti-Azir campaign that refereshes even after he gets gutted with nerfs? his winrate is 46%, and counterplay to him exists (if you're too lazy to do the counterbuild part).

Abyssphere6 votes

I've seen Azir 100-0 tanks with Visage + Banshee's + lots of bonus HP in only a couple of EQ rotations. He melts tanks.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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I've seen Azir 100-0 tanks with Visage + Banshee's + lots of bonus HP in only a couple of EQ rotations. He melts tanks.

I never see.

Abyssphere4 votes

Well yes but you are kind of terrible.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

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Well yes but you are kind of terrible.

Hahahah.Other salty bronzies Azir hater.15.

FioraWillCarry3 votes

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I've seen Azir 100-0 tanks with Visage + Banshee's + lots of bonus HP in only a couple of EQ rotations. He melts tanks.

Total fuckin bullshit. I play the champ a lot, like a fuck tonne of games and what you are saying here is complete utter bullshit. He sucks very hard vs tanks. Azir shines vs squishy teams. 3+ tanks with MR and Azir is close to useless. He only becomes something of a threat when he has 600 or more AP with Void Staff and Rabadans otherwise he ain't doing shit to tanks.

Defended6 votes

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Total fuckin bullshit. I play the champ a lot, like a fuck tonne of games and what you are saying here is complete utter bullshit.

Maybe because you're bronze 2..?

Theorchero1 votes

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Maybe because you're bronze 2..?

Sure you can pull rank here, but he's not wrong. Azir sucks hard vs tanks with any amount of MR. He shits on squishies but requires a lot of items to even touch tanks.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

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Maybe because you're bronze 2..?

Doesn't change the fact that what you said was complete garbage.

Defended4 votes

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Doesn't change the fact that what you said was complete garbage.

Actually the quote you were responding too wasent me

but

you're bronze 2 and ill say it again

Azir is a sack of fucking freelo.

W-Q = 50% of your health

Guarenteed 2 autos = The rest. Boom You're dead.

Balanced

Nerf that fucking champ

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

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Actually the quote you were responding too wasent me

but

you're bronze 2 and ill say it again

Azir is a sack of fucking freelo.

W-Q = 50% of your health

Guarenteed 2 autos = The rest. Boom You're dead.

Balanced

Nerf that fucking champ

ADC's freelo not Azir.NERF ADC'S

Defended4 votes

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ADC's freelo not Azir.

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He is a fucking adc you ignorant bronze 5 fool.

CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

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He is a fucking adc you ignorant bronze 5 fool.

its more appropriate to call him a marksman or apc.

Abyssphere4 votes

I mean yeah it was late game but that's still kind of a big deal. Most mages can't even 100-80 a full build tank with Banshee's/Visage (heck, just Visage) and even other sustained DPS mages like Cassiopeia struggle to put a dent in them. Azir melts tanks faster than ADCs while having more utility, mobility, poke and burst than most of them.

EDIT: And obviously he can't deal with 3 tanks at once by himself but the scenario I presented was Azir versus a single tank. Azir is the only mage who can catch a tank and threaten them after early game.

Defended4 votes

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I mean yeah it was late game but that's still kind of a big deal. Most mages can't even 100-80 a full build tank with Banshee's/Visage (heck, just Visage) and even other sustained DPS mages like Cassiopeia struggle to put a dent in them. Azir melts tanks faster than ADCs while having more utility, mobility, poke and burst than most of them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Azir will outdamage an ADC on tanks.

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

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I mean yeah it was late game but that's still kind of a big deal. Most mages can't even 100-80 a full build tank with Banshee's/Visage (heck, just Visage) and even other sustained DPS mages like Cassiopeia struggle to put a dent in them. Azir melts tanks faster than ADCs while having more utility, mobility, poke and burst than most of them.

EDIT: And obviously he can't deal with 3 tanks at once by himself but the scenario I presented was Azir versus a single tank. Azir is the only mage who can catch a tank and threaten them after early game.

Lissandra AurelionSol Brand Orianna Taliyah

I'm sorry, do we even play the same game? All those above champs have the ability to kite unlike Azir, And they have better damage outputs overall. Azir won't shred tanks effectively until late game with voidstaff (mandatory mage item to shred tanks, no other AP midlaner is exception to Azir when it comes to this item).

Defended5 votes

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Lissandra AurelionSol Brand Orianna Taliyah

I'm sorry, do we even play the same game? All those above champs have the ability to kite unlike Azir, And they have better damage outputs overall. Azir won't shred tanks effectively until late game with voidstaff (mandatory mage item to shred tanks, no other AP midlaner is exception to Azir when it comes to this item).

Brand and orianna can kite? Damn is that the new thing in bronze

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

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Brand and orianna can kite? Damn is that the new thing in bronze

Sorry, brand can't, but Orianna definitely could

Can you respond cohesively/coherently instead of spewing toxic garbage please?

Defended4 votes

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Sorry, brand can't, but Orianna definitely could

Can you respond cohesively/coherently instead of spewing toxic garbage please?

You just corrected your own false statement. So why woud i respond coherently to false information?

Vayne can Kite. Kalista can kite. Jinx can kite. Ekko can kite. Brand cannot kite. Orianna cannot kite. Lissandra yeah. Aurelion sol no he just opens his orbs and people get hit by it so it looks like kiting.

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

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You just corrected your own false statement. So why woud i respond coherently to false information?

Vayne can Kite. Kalista can kite. Jinx can kite. Ekko can kite. Brand cannot kite. Orianna cannot kite. Lissandra yeah. Aurelion sol no he just opens his orbs and people get hit by it so it looks like kiting.

I'll just stop responding to you, have a nice day

Defended4 votes

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I'll just stop responding to you, have a nice day

Thats cute. Someone proves you wrong and you go cry. Ok.

Abyssphere6 votes

I am confused as to how Azir cannot kite. Yeah everyone you've listed is also great at kiting but Azir is better than all of them. Everyone you've listed has downtime on their kiting except Aurelion & Brand with Rylai's, and Azir also falls in the Rylai's permaslow category of champions. Unlike Brand and Aurelion, Azir can keep up with dashing enemies and can force engages (Brand cannot extend his range at all, Aurelion can but in a way that is impractical for engaging a fight). He also has higher DPS than everyone you've listed, particularly Liss and Ori.

I feel like you must be terrible at the champion if you think Azir can't kite. That's rude, so I'm sorry, but I really can't imagine an Azir player thinking he's incapable of kiting. His chase and escape are both insane. Maybe if you don't buy Rylai's on him or something his kiting sucks but you should be buying it on him and when you his kit is instantly better at kiting than that of any mage who's naturally good at it.

YurÌ on Ice3 votes

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I am confused as to how Azir cannot kite. Yeah everyone you've listed is also great at kiting but Azir is better than all of them. Everyone you've listed has downtime on their kiting except Aurelion & Brand with Rylai's, and Azir also falls in the Rylai's permaslow category of champions. Unlike Brand and Aurelion, Azir can keep up with dashing enemies and can force engages (Brand cannot extend his range at all, Aurelion can but in a way that is impractical for engaging a fight). He also has higher DPS than everyone you've listed, particularly Liss and Ori.

I feel like you must be terrible at the champion if you think Azir can't kite. That's rude, so I'm sorry, but I really can't imagine an Azir player thinking he's incapable of kiting. His chase and escape are both insane. Maybe if you don't buy Rylai's on him or something his kiting sucks but you should be buying it on him and when you his kit is instantly better at kiting than that of any mage who's naturally good at it.

Because he has no roots/stuns or knockbacks (outside of ult) in his kit, Rylai's on Azir improves his kiting (20% slow) but his base MS is the lowest in the game, a darius with dead man's plate + swifties will walk through your soldier rylais and facestomp you.

I say this with experience that Azir is terrible at kiting, and if you're honestly going to expand your E (most valuable tool in your kit, almost equal in value to your ultimate) for kiting, than you're a dumbass.

Oh and if you think Liss is'n great at kiting than maybe you should re-evaluate your definition of kiting, especially when you rate her below a Rylai's brand

Abyssphere6 votes
  1. Sand Soldiers apply a 1 second 40% slow, because they apply spell effects. The 20% slow for summoned minions is overwritten by the 40% AOE spell effect slow.
  2. Using your E on chasing someone for a kill or dashing away to avoid being killed is exactly what you're supposed to do with that ability. What more important use case is there to save that ability for? Obviously his E isn't a traditional kiting tool, but that is because in the defensive use case it almost always ends the chase because your opponent can't follow a 1k dash over a wall. Offensively it's amazing at catching enemies.
  3. Liss is incredible at kiting defensively, but her offensive chase is outshone by the champions with a permanent Rylai's slow, IMO, particularly as her Q slow spam can be interrupted by minion waves. But does it matter how good Liss is at kiting? She can't melt tanks, she hasn't got the DPS for it.
YurÌ on Ice1 votes

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  1. Sand Soldiers apply a 1 second 40% slow, because they apply spell effects. The 20% slow for summoned minions is overwritten by the 40% AOE spell effect slow.
  2. Using your E on chasing someone for a kill or dashing away to avoid being killed is exactly what you're supposed to do with that ability. What more important use case is there to save that ability for? Obviously his E isn't a traditional kiting tool, but that is because in the defensive use case it almost always ends the chase because your opponent can't follow a 1k dash over a wall. Offensively it's amazing at catching enemies.
  3. Liss is incredible at kiting defensively, but her offensive chase is outshone by the champions with a permanent Rylai's slow, IMO, particularly as her Q slow spam can be interrupted by minion waves. But does it matter how good Liss is at kiting? She can't melt tanks, she hasn't got the DPS for it.

Too lazy to answer most of these, I'm sick of arguing. But I strongly disagree with 3. She has more than enough to melt tanks with barely any AP. I build her full AP with no voidstaff in most games and I melt tanks. Liandry's is enough for tank-melting with her, her Q is a good spammable slow, maybe she can't perma-slow with Rylai but she can CC twice if she uses ultimate. In terms of tank shredding she's much better than Azir through the early-mid game, late game Azir is better. And that's good. Counterplay against tanks is good. Do you want 0 counterplay to tanks?

this is only speaking for liss, there are tons of control mages that kite enemies like a puppeteer does and simply outshine Azir in every way in terms of kiting. Liss is one of those. Taliyah is one of those. Vel'koz is one of those.

Ereldra4 votes

You are just focusing on the kiting aspect, as if its a 1v1 Azir vs tanks. Yeah, a Lissandra can kite a tank very well - but she will not kill him. She can kite and run away and thats it. She doesn't have the dmg to kill a tank in a 1v1 and espescially not in a teamfight. Azir is strong against tanks, because in a teamfight he is probably the best mage in the game to actually kill tanks. Mages like Leblanc are burst-mages - they will blow their rotation, get the tank to ~80% and then do nothing for a few seconds. Other mages like Orianna don't have the dmg on their kit, to be any real threat to a tank with some MR. Azir however has an extremely high sustained dps, just like an ADC. You can put down 1-3 soldiers, reposition them and keep the dmg coming. And no matter how much MR the tank has, if he gets hit by Azir soldiers for a few seconds his Health-Bar will go down really fast. Of couse, if the enemy tank is just allowed to run straight at Azir and ignore everyone else, it becomes difficult to keep the dps up. Thats one of the reasons, why Azir is a kinda weak pick in Solo-Q vs. his performance in Pro-Play. Hes kinda team reliant, again just like an ADC, in that he needs to be protected, kept safe and position correctly themselves. If you manage to do that, and if he is allowed to deal consistent DPS from the backline, then he can shred through everything on the enemy team, wether its the squishy ADC or the 3k Health tank with MR, because his DPS is just one if not the best of all mages in game. Which is also one of the reasons why he came back into meta in Pro-Play during Spring-Split. Toplane shifted to Tanks, and Azir became Pick-Ban again, because his high DPS can shred tanks in Teamfights really well.

This is not a statement about Azirs strenght overall or anything. But saying that Azir plain sucks hard vs tanks, thats just really not true.

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

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You are just focusing on the kiting aspect, as if its a 1v1 Azir vs tanks. Yeah, a Lissandra can kite a tank very well - but she will not kill him. She can kite and run away and thats it. She doesn't have the dmg to kill a tank in a 1v1 and espescially not in a teamfight. Azir is strong against tanks, because in a teamfight he is probably the best mage in the game to actually kill tanks. Mages like Leblanc are burst-mages - they will blow their rotation, get the tank to ~80% and then do nothing for a few seconds. Other mages like Orianna don't have the dmg on their kit, to be any real threat to a tank with some MR. Azir however has an extremely high sustained dps, just like an ADC. You can put down 1-3 soldiers, reposition them and keep the dmg coming. And no matter how much MR the tank has, if he gets hit by Azir soldiers for a few seconds his Health-Bar will go down really fast. Of couse, if the enemy tank is just allowed to run straight at Azir and ignore everyone else, it becomes difficult to keep the dps up. Thats one of the reasons, why Azir is a kinda weak pick in Solo-Q vs. his performance in Pro-Play. Hes kinda team reliant, again just like an ADC, in that he needs to be protected, kept safe and position correctly themselves. If you manage to do that, and if he is allowed to deal consistent DPS from the backline, then he can shred through everything on the enemy team, wether its the squishy ADC or the 3k Health tank with MR, because his DPS is just one if not the best of all mages in game. Which is also one of the reasons why he came back into meta in Pro-Play during Spring-Split. Toplane shifted to Tanks, and Azir became Pick-Ban again, because his high DPS can shred tanks in Teamfights really well.

This is not a statement about Azirs strenght overall or anything. But saying that Azir plain sucks hard vs tanks, thats just really not true.

Liss with item 3135 item 3151 can hardly kite and run away.

"Azir is strong against tanks" Give Azir 300 AP and a voidstaff and he can solo a bruiserish tank only if he expands ultimate and out-plays. Otherwise no.

"He is probably the best mage in the game to actually kill tanks" Any mage with voidstaff is good against tanks, I agree that he's better, but he's not the only one.

"Mages like Leblanc" LeBlanc is'n even a mage. She's an assassin. She trades off DPS for one burst. She does'n deal with tanks in any manner (although that E is very good cc for kiting)

Orianna has very good damage and very good scaling and late-game incredibly low cooldowns. You have'n played against a full-AP Orianna I can tell (most of them build utility)

Azir will be good against a tank with voidstaff or rabadons, Same with most other mages, and its a good thing & in its place. Counterplay against tanks is good.

Well, I agree completely, Azir needs a team (And needs babysitting by his whole team for the first 30 minutes into the game & needs to be protected in the teamfights so he does'n become entirely useless). Nerfing Azir even more will pretty much make him exclusively an LCS competetive champion or a champ with an entire team on teamspeak/sitting next to eachother, and eventually more nerfs will even remove him from that field and make him take a seat next to Sejuani or below her. He has 46% winrate for a reason.

Azir was indeed pick/ban (more like only pick) in the MSI, but he was'n auto-win, his winrate was normal, his K/D/A was average. We saw him get counterplayed alot (RNG picked LB into him and boom). He's not un-beatable. And after his nerfs, his presence % in the LCS dropped to 60ish%. He's in a very very good spot right now. Anymore nerf-batting on him is gonna be pure bullshit.

Blåbæret2 votes

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Lissandra AurelionSol Brand Orianna Taliyah

I'm sorry, do we even play the same game? All those above champs have the ability to kite unlike Azir, And they have better damage outputs overall. Azir won't shred tanks effectively until late game with voidstaff (mandatory mage item to shred tanks, no other AP midlaner is exception to Azir when it comes to this item).

Literally none of those champs can kite except from Taliyah. Lissandra has such a short range on her Q that when you stop to cast it the enemy is already in your face. Sure she got W and E, but she's definitely not a reliable kiter with her short range.

Orianna kite lol. Am I dreaming?

Azir SHREDS tanks, what in earth are you on about? He has the best sustained damage in-game, it's almost like constant burst. Azir has mobility and slows with his standard build. Neither of your listed champions come EVEN close to that kind of damage and kiting potential.

YurÌ on Ice1 votes

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Literally none of those champs can kite except from Taliyah. Lissandra has such a short range on her Q that when you stop to cast it the enemy is already in your face. Sure she got W and E, but she's definitely not a reliable kiter with her short range.

Orianna kite lol. Am I dreaming?

Azir SHREDS tanks, what in earth are you on about? He has the best sustained damage in-game, it's almost like constant burst. Azir has mobility and slows with his standard build. Neither of your listed champions come EVEN close to that kind of damage and kiting potential.

for a person who abuses freelo on the reworked Zyra, you're hardly to call Azir "OP" and a better kiter + a better tank shredder.

Blåbæret3 votes

No idea what you're talking about. I play a myriad of champs, mostly mages. Zyra's my to-go support however, because she's fun.

I like your change of topic though. Azir is still a ban/pick at LCS. The ult nerf did absolutely nothing.

YurÌ on Ice1 votes

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No idea what you're talking about. I play a myriad of champs, mostly mages. Zyra's my to-go support however, because she's fun.

I like your change of topic though. Azir is still a ban/pick at LCS. The ult nerf did absolutely nothing.

No no no no, YOU don't change the topic, you know what you're doing but you're shameless enough to come smear Azir for being broken.

"Azir is still pick & ban in lcs"

this is Azir's statistic record for the whole season 6 competetive play

http://www.gamesoflegends.com/champion/stats.php?id=120&season=S6

48.3% presence rate 50.9% win rate

his winrate right now is 46% (45% in daimonds+)

Lets take a look at Zyra shall we?

54.48% winrate http://champion.gg/champion/Zyra

Karma hits like a truck, does'n it?

Blåbæret3 votes

Azir 17% ban rate (higher at LCS).

Zyra ban rate 3.5%

Nuff said. Zyra's easy to deal with by laneswapping as seen in pro play. She loses a lot of her strenght after the laning phase. Not the case with Azir's zero counterplay kit.

I'm confident he'll be reworked eventually.

YurÌ on Ice2 votes

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I've seen Azir 100-0 tanks with Visage + Banshee's + lots of bonus HP in only a couple of EQ rotations. He melts tanks.

eh, he will never do this without excess of 500 AP + A voidstaff, and if he does. Good. Let there be a counter to tanks in this tank meta.

The Last Ballad3 votes

Yah, people on these boards are over reactive kittens most of the time. It is sad. I had an one for all with him against a Malzahar, and my sister and I won hard(with my early deaths were from ganking other lanes, while the people I was ganking for ran away...), while the people who forced him on us fed. It was horrible. I ended with a score of 30/10/?(not important)

YurÌ on Ice3 votes

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Defended3 votes

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How do you link null mantle and negatron when null mantle builds into that and hex builds into maw like idk how to even reply to that LOL

CrazedPorcupine3 votes

Honestly, Azir's Range that he can attack soldiers from needs to be reduced down to 750 from whatever it is right now (1000? or something outrageous like that) He outranges most every mage, and almost outranges even Xerath, Lux, and Ziggs, who are known for their artillery mage style.

YurÌ on Ice1 votes

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Honestly, Azir's Range that he can attack soldiers from needs to be reduced down to 750 from whatever it is right now (1000? or something outrageous like that) He outranges most every mage, and almost outranges even Xerath, Lux, and Ziggs, who are known for their artillery mage style.

that would be OK if he gets a serious buff to his damage, otherwise nopity nope.

CrazedPorcupine3 votes

Why would he need a buff to his damage? He already has Marksman level DPS, hell he out DPS's most ADCS because his spike hits so much earlier.

Pnakotic2 votes

Buff Teemo

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

who were you playing?

btw if you counterattack after he takes 40% with W > Q he can't do anything about it except ult... kassadin was the same way with RQE you have to fight back or you lose. Who were you playing and what did you do after

ADDRESS FINDER1 votes

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Defended2 votes

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Logged in to downvote. I have been wrecked by many azir players too, but this post serves no purpose. Look at OP's comments and replies, obviously a toxic player. This is obviously just a QQ thread.

If you couldnt tell it was a QQ thread at first glance im not sure what to tell you.

Azir has too much in a dps kit. He has one of the best self peels in the game particularily because hes able to combo you WHILE you're ccd.

Ontop of all that there is no point to his recharge system because he has a soldier 3x faster than VI has her E.

YurÌ on Ice1 votes

Are we going to speak about ban rates or winrates?

Come on, just admit it, you abuse freelo but still sink low enough to come clamor for other champs to get nerfed on the boards, do you atleast admit Zyra is broken?

Defended3 votes

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Are we going to speak about ban rates or winrates?

Come on, just admit it, you abuse freelo but still sink low enough to come clamor for other champs to get nerfed on the boards, do you atleast admit Zyra is broken?

Azir is a sack of utter shit. I have rarely seen zyra in pro play whats her stats in the summer split right now? A few games? Azir actually hit 100% win rate with over 5 games if he WASENT banned midway through the LCS.

I do not think zyra is even HALF as broken as Azir.

Lets talk about Azir pls

W-Q boom you lost half your health Guarenteed 2 autos because rylais boom recall now or you're dead

You wanna close the gap? Zhonyas if you have burst You still trying to close the gap? R-W-Q All while you're CC'd and now you're dead You wanna gank an azir? Nope. W-Q-E backwards to tower Legit

Im sick of his fucking damage. Its way to excessive for a champion its like an adc that hits late game before 20 minutes. Thats how azir is. His damage is unrivaled.

Nobody gives a shit about zyra right now. Yes i agree with you shes annoying and really strong but a joke compared to Azir whom faker admitted was probably the #1 mid laner in the game since release.

RitoCantFixMe1 votes

All they need to do is take off the q slow on his soldiers and he'll be balanced.

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