Some bronzies think Azir is still broken
Meanwhile Jhin, Fiora, Malzahar, Cassiopeia, Ashe...
74 Comments
archerno14 votesWhat about Ashe? I cant believe people complain about Ashe... She didnt have any changes in 12 patches and last one just increased Q duration by 1 sec. Just because pros are fitting her into their pick comps, doesnt mean she is broken or OP. Also Jhin isnt that special. Fiora is gutted and needs buffs. Malzahar got nerfed and is fine now. Cassiopeia is good in pro scene, but not so good in solo queue where people dont build teamcomp around u.
Alzo Azir IS broken. He is one of those champs who cant be balanced. Either will be in gutter (like now) or he is gonna be OP and perma banned. He needs Ryze type rework.
Treune812 votesWhat about Ashe? I cant believe people complain about Ashe... She didnt have any changes in 12 patches and last one just increased Q duration by 1 sec. Just because pros are fitting her into their pick comps, doesnt mean she is broken or OP. Also Jhin isnt that special. Fiora is gutted and needs buffs. Malzahar got nerfed and is fine now. Cassiopeia is good in pro scene, but not so good in solo queue where people dont build teamcomp around u.
Ashe's q damage is busted so Ashe is broken! Ashe is broken with Runaan and q skill.
archerno14 votesAshe's q damage is busted so Ashe is broken! Ashe is broken with Runaan and q skill.
Ashe Q damage didnt change in a year...
Treune811 votesAshe Q damage didnt change in a year...
If you claim it, you don't debate with me because you don't follow patches.You do not know patches.
archerno13 votesIf you claim it, you don't debate with me because you don't follow patches.
I just checked patches and her Q damage is same as on 5.9 when it got added. 27% of AD
Damage has been same for 1 year and 3 months. And this isnt "debate" this is a FACT.
Treune811 votesI just checked patches and her Q damage is same as on 5.9 when it got added. 27% of AD
Damage has been same for 1 year and 3 months. And this isnt "debate" this is a FACT.
http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Ashe
Control this.Ashe's stacks changed.A lot changes.
archerno13 votesThere u go. Patch history. Last change 6.4 (february). Only change, increased duration and stacks drops.
Treune811 votesThere u go. Patch history. Last change 6.4 (february). Only change, increased duration and stacks drops.
As a result Ashe got a lot new features.As a result Ashe's q damage is busted with Runaan.Briefly Ashe is broken.Sivir got buff patch 6.2 so she is still in meta.Since 6.2
archerno13 votesAs a result Ashe got a lot new features.As a result Ashe's q damage is busted with Runaan.Briefly Ashe is broken.Sivir got buff patch 6.2 so she is still in meta.Since 6.2
She is just popular now cause of skin and pro scene. Nothing else. She is item reliant ADC with no broken or complicated mechanics.
Treune811 votesShe is just popular now cause of skin and pro scene. Nothing else. She is item reliant ADC with no broken or complicated mechanics.
She isn't popular.She is broken.You know she wasn't nerfed because of new skin.You admitted.Ashe is strong and broken.Absurd champion.
archerno14 votesShe isn't popular.She is broken.You know she wasn't nerfed because of new skin.You admitted.Ashe is strong and broken.Absurd champion.
Oh god. U are just too thick to accept.
x9 After Game1 votesLmao I read the whole thing and its funny how right you are.
Void Nargacuga2 votesThis is Akatsuki's smuf since that account got banned for spamming Azir threads... Just like this one.
Hell Akatsuki is a smuf account as well! And never have they once tried to use their main account to prove anything.
Treune811 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QdUZeOEH,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-08-06T20:40:31.177+0000)
This is Akatsuki's smuf since that account got banned for spamming Azir threads... Just like this one.
Hell Akatsuki is a smuf account as well! And never have they once tried to use their main account to prove anything.
Akatsuki is my friend.We played together.I'm saying to bronzies.Azir isn't broken Azir never happened broken.Meanwhile Akatsuiki's elo is better than your elo.He was Dia 5.I'm Dia 3.What is your elo?
Void Nargacuga2 votesAlright then... Prove you played games with them.
You do have the same typing pattern as Akatsuki though and that doesn't really help.
Treune811 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QdUZeOEH,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-06T20:44:13.955+0000)
Alright then... Prove you played games with them.
You do have the same typing pattern as Akatsuki though and that doesn't really help.
Because I'm Azir main and I don't like injustice and wrongs.I shared my profile recently.By the way my sharing is true and fact.Azir's kit isn't broken.Broken kit means ridiculous burst, ridiculous tanky, extreme sustain etc.Azir is normal DPS mage.
Void Nargacuga2 votesAkatsuiki was Dia 5.
https://i.gyazo.com/4a293e0bd500cc027cba7052e9a7bdb1.png
Says he was Gold 4.
{quoted} I'm Dia 3.
What is your elo?
Please prove it since this is a smurf account that is only level 8.
My elo doesn't really matter because I'm still practicing for ranked in preseason so I can work hard on my rank in season 7. I'm actually learning to play Azir since I find his playstyle to be unique and something I can enjoy and would like to expand my mid lane champion pool.
Sightless662 votesAkatsuki is my friend.
You type in exactly the same way, you use exactly the same phrases, and you use exactly the same arguments in exactly the same way. Given that this is a level 8 account and Akatsuki's account hasn't posted in 15 days, and that you didn't start posting until he stopped, the most likely conclusion is that you're the same person.
Maybe you aren't, but look at it from our point of view: Is there really anything else we could conclude? It's just way, way too convenient for you to not be the same person.
Treune811 votesYou type in exactly the same way, you use exactly the same phrases, and you use exactly the same arguments in exactly the same way. Given that this is a level 8 account and Akatsuki's account hasn't posted in 15 days, and that you didn't start posting until he stopped, the most likely conclusion is that you're the same person.
Maybe you aren't, but look at it from our point of view: Is there really anything else we could conclude? It's just way, way too convenient for you to not be the same person.
Akatsuki's account is banned.
Sightless662 votesWhich is why this account was made.
Astôlfo2 votesEh, I'd rather use the term badly designed instead of broken, because broken implies OP.
Tilthankaldar4 votesListen. If you're going to make a post about me because i made a thread with the same title just about, atleast direct it towards me.
Also its funny how you claim im a bronzie meanwhile your level 8 unranked ass is hiding on a noob account to avoid your real rank.
I can promise you if we bring out mains, mine is higher rank then you ever were :]
Goodluck bro.
Astôlfo2 votesUh yeah and you think Azir is OP. Your opinion is irrelevant.
LatetotheRace3 votesBronzies? Most diamonds agree he's still overloaded.
Treune811 votesBronzies? Most diamonds agree he's still overloaded.
When they said? Link? Most diamonds don't play with him.His play rate is only 3%.Learn new argument.
LatetotheRace2 votesWould you like to know why? Because he has the highest skill floor in the game. It's much easier to win games as someone else, that being said he is one of the strongest champions in the game.
Lord Azır2 votesWould you like to know why? Because he has the highest skill floor in the game. It's much easier to win games as someone else, that being said he is one of the strongest champions in the game.
That's funny because in bronze Azir has a winrate of 42% and in diamond it drops down to 39%. He sure is OP :)
Treune811 votesBronzies? Most diamonds agree he's still overloaded.
Overloaded kit but garbage tier mid laner.Ok ok!
LatetotheRace3 votesSo you are bronze then, ok.
LatetotheRace2 votesI don't need to argue that he's incredibly strong. If you disagree that's fine, but it only makes you look foolish. If you insist on him being trash, go and actually learn. Not play mind you, but learn and master him.
Astôlfo2 votesUh yeah and he's still gutter trash.
x9 After Game3 votesHe's weak now and I want him buffed lmao they just nerfed him repeatedly.
LatetotheRace1 votesIt's because his kit is so bizarre. It's go too much potential in numerous ways. If we want Azir to have a stable winrate and playrate, we'd have to see him become much easier to play. Which in all reality we don't want.
x9 After Game1 votesI perfectly understand he's one of those champions with a kit that makes him op or broken or someone whos just lacking and he obviously needs a rework that fixes that. I just disagree with nerfing everything about him and then pushing it off as balance? Its just a short "Solution"
LatetotheRace1 votesI never implied nerfing him was the solution, but he needs actual changes outside of mere numbers.
x9 After Game1 votesI know and I agreed. He needs a rework and a new kit. He's either op or underpowered. :)
Lord Azır2 votes[{quoted}](name=x9 After Game,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QdUZeOEH,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-06T20:35:15.193+0000)
I know and I agreed. He needs a rework and a new kit. He's either op or underpowered. :)
Actually no, before patch 6.14 nerfs he was balanced. He had a 47% winrate and wasn't perma pick / banned in LCS. He had a high play rate, but not because he was OP. It's because he's actually a fun champion to play and people started realizing that because for the first time Azir was almost bug free and not under powered.
Treune811 votesI never implied nerfing him was the solution, but he needs actual changes outside of mere numbers.
Azir needed other utility nerf.We're saying Azir's damage nerf was wrong.Azir's damage wasn't problem.It never happened.We accept 6.11 nerf but we could not find the right 6.14 nerf.
Damage nerf complicated him so damage nerf is so bad for new players.Utility nerf was sensible.
LatetotheRace2 votesExcept utility isn't his purpose. His entire kit was designed to deal large amounts of AOE damage at mid range. His ult and his dash only exist to defend himself so he can actually do his job.
Treune811 votesExcept utility isn't his purpose. His entire kit was designed to deal large amounts of AOE damage at mid range. His ult and his dash only exist to defend himself so he can actually do his job.
As a result damage nerf was wrong.Azir's damage wasn't problem.His problem was only Rylai's stupid slowing.If you want I can show his ap ratios.His ap ratios was normal for DPS mage.
LatetotheRace1 votesYes the ratios were similar, but you're forgetting he works differently from almost every DPS mage right now. That being said, Azir has similar DPS to that of a marksman, so marksmen with longer range had/have the capacity to deal with him pretty efficiently. So nerfing the damage was one of the only two options they had, and it's the easiest. The other option would be to rework his abilities a bit, which isn't going to happen due to him being a semi-new champion as we have other champions in line.
Treune811 votesYes the ratios were similar, but you're forgetting he works differently from almost every DPS mage right now. That being said, Azir has similar DPS to that of a marksman, so marksmen with longer range had/have the capacity to deal with him pretty efficiently. So nerfing the damage was one of the only two options they had, and it's the easiest. The other option would be to rework his abilities a bit, which isn't going to happen due to him being a semi-new champion as we have other champions in line.
Meanwhile marksmans have sustain, Azir hasn't.Meanwhile Cassio has stun, Azir hasn't.Azir's kit was fine all time.Azir's the only problem is competitive stats.
LatetotheRace1 votesYou cannot compare him to Cass like that, because they both have CC on their ults. Yes he lacks sustain, but he also has AOE damage. If they were to possibly make him ult ground* people for 2 seconds after landing that might help him a lot.
Treune811 votesYou cannot compare him to Cass like that, because they both have CC on their ults. Yes he lacks sustain, but he also has AOE damage.
Why I can not compare him with Cass? Cass isn't different champion.Meanwhile Cassiopeia's ult has AOE damage.She has high movement speed.She can kite you.She has slowing, stun and high ap.
LatetotheRace1 votesYou're saying Cass his a stun as if Azir doesn't have CC. Cass ult 120 / 100 / 80 Azir's ult 140 / 120 / 100 They both also have conditional CC, but Azir's is easier to land. So the CD about evens out.
Treune811 votesYou're saying Cass his a stun as if Azir doesn't have CC. Cass ult 120 / 100 / 80 Azir's ult 140 / 120 / 100 They both also have conditional CC, but Azir's is easier to land. So the CD about evens out.
Azir's ult conditional CC but Cassiopeia's ult guaranty CC.Stun or worst slowing if you don't miss it.Meanwhile Cassiopeia's w gives slowing you forgot.
LatetotheRace1 votesIf you're in range you will get CC'd by either. Except in Azir's case, you'll always receive hard CC.
Void Nargacuga1 votesAkatsuki said his Na account is banned. Probably you don't follow NA boards sufficiently.
Like anyone can keep up with all the posts that get made? They weren't very open about many things either besides Azir and that was it from what I could tell.
I shared my profile recently.
No offense here but I'm having difficulty finding when you shared it. There is just a lot of comments to go through.
Treune811 votes[{quoted}](name=Void Nargacuga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QdUZeOEH,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-08-06T20:58:48.466+0000)
Like anyone can keep up with all the posts that get made? They weren't very open about many things either besides Azir and that was it from what I could tell.
No offense here but I'm having difficulty finding when you shared it. There is just a lot of comments to go through.
http://tr.op.gg/summoner/userName=%C3%82zir
My profile.I left Azir because he is weak.I dropped to Dia 5 from Dia 2-3.What is reason? Because Azir is so weak.
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