Varus and Jhin were the reason why every other adc was dead...
you couldn't compete to a Varus or Jhin lane, especially Varus was such a pain in the ass to lane against that every adc that needed to scale before being usefull was dead
THE RlVER KlNG46 votesI like how ppl think Jhin was actually nerfed
a piddly ult slow and love tap to DFT does not solve his problems in the slightest
the only thing that's gone down is his pickrate, by about 4%
xWaters35 votesWatch out the fanboys who yell 4 all the time are going to come hunt you down
THE RlVER KlNG21 votes
Velzard of Koz11 votesI've read it as Shit Lords
THE RlVER KlNG4 voteseh same thing really
Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votesthis is what we call a nerf... And yet it didn't kill him gladly.
Serika Zero2 votesI like how they go "OMG VARUS AND JHIN GOT NERFED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Jhin got love tapped a bit on his ult slow. Varus got his Q totally reworked......
Sexy Jack Rabbit21 votesReworked? They literally just made it so he has to use the rest of his kit.
Sagaxwiki4 votesYeah honestly I think crit Varus might be super viable now. Between the buff to his passive earlier in the season and the fact that building lethality on ADCs is no longer as attractive, I could see crit AD casters (i.e. Ashe, Lucian, crit Varus, crit MF, etc.) coming on pretty strong. In theory their ability damage should help them not be super terrible early-mid game and then late game they will have all the power of a normal crit adc.
skyskee00811 votesThing is Jhin still needs to auto for the MAJORITY of his damage (especially late game). DFT made his damage on his long range abilities (ult and w) hit quite a bit harder. Hitting the CC on his ult was a good change in theory because his ult damage wasn't really the busted part.
Varus on the other hand got the majority of his damage from his super long range Q which he just spammed late game. Chunking the back line for half their health. Whereas Jhins shit can be blocked by tanks (also doesn't scale as well or have as high damg as Varus Q)
If you asked any high elo player they'd say Jhin makes ADC viable whereas Varus is busted as shit. Also the reason why Varus is almost a MUST BAN red side in competitive whereas letting Jhin through is a common occurrence
TerribleTheHero3 votesThis is pretty much how I feel about the subject.
NiceTryVi4 votesThe executing crit bullshit is the reason Jhin is so overbearing imo. He can hold onto a shot that's guaranteed to do at least 100-150 damage at level 1 for 10 seconds. I cant tell you how many times I have played support against a Jhin only for him to walk up and chunk either me or my ADC and then run away with his superspeed with only 1/4 of the damage in retaliation. Make his regular autos non-executing, and I would be fine with it.
Veltox2 votesHe is giving up minions if he is keeping the 4th shot a lot so..
Ariel the Cruel1 votes
"stand behind Braum!"
NiceTryVi1 votesYeah, Braum is about my only option against him anymore, but If I pick before the enemy ADC does, I cant be psychic.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesImplying there is ever a good time not to "stand behind Braum." Just accept him as a fact of life and let him carry you to challenjour!
NiceTryVi1 votesI mean, he's probably my favorite support, but Karma and Morg do a ton of damage as well as having utility. Hopefully tank supports make a comeback
Ariel the Cruel4 votesbut
#STAND BEHIND BRAUM!
Lil Lewd Witch13 votesPlus the buffed 
will open up things for the hyper carries again. I think 
will be viable again
Will be interesting to see how bot lane changes.
Dynikus15 votes has never built , and I don't see increasing the AD changing that.
Lil Lewd Witch6 votes
I kind of "misphrased" it. Was talking on the phone and didn't get my full thoughts out. I didnt mean those characters are going to all build BotRK, I meant the hyper carries might come back with Varus and Jhin being less picked, potentially.
MunchCrunchLunch15 votes
every adc including jinx built it in season 5. when it was good
Enloct5 votesBork is one of those items that warped the entire meta for a patch it was so monstrously overpowered. Anything that could use it, did, and very little that couldn't was viable.
jpguy9022 votes <3
cPXt3JHpf42 votesYes hyper carries may rise but... A super dive comp arrives to make the immobile adcs lives hell
with 
<- new ult
Draw My Fursona7 votesthat comp is awful
GhostOfShrimpmas12 votes*adc is dead
*2 adcs in every game
pick one
SSShutTheDuckUp8 votesyou 
mean 
two 
per 
team
58697132DEL19 votes
Sips a fine cup of Piltover tea
3TWarrior4 votes1300 auto attack range is pretty nuts
Zedex9 votesPrepare for Vayne meta again.
Can't wait to see the wishy washy boards cry about it again.
Veltox6 votesShe is actually worse. Varus and Jhin are pwned most of the time if they are caught. Good luck dealing with perma-stealth dashing %truedamage machine gun that can also crit.
xevi4 votesWho's worse is completely subjective. I, for one, would rather go against an enemy than 
or 
every game because of the massive differences in range and due to 
being a thing (but it's nerfed now so it isn't as annoying to play against). Plus 's lane phase is still pretty sub-par and absolutely trash compared to pre-7.5 and lane phase.
Dataless6 votes I feel is actually really strong and has just been flying under the radar for while now. A full-on "raise the puppy" comp, something like 
(insert AD or Tank jungle here) 
would do very well. Especially now with the new Stoneborn Pact for puppies sustain and shields on shields on shields on redemption keeping him alive.
BRING BACK THE JUGGER'MAW.
Adriqnohee7 votesHe is strong, but he takes time to get going, and since games have such a short live span nowadays, its hard to see him pop off.
Furor Nexis2 votesVarus is still a potent laner, even with the nerf to his lethality build. His passive buff alone is probably one of the biggest advantages over other many ADCs since he essentially gets a constant source of extra scaling attack speed. His crit / hybrid builds will start soaring now, which is something I'm glad for since it requires more than just pressing Q.
6Sfool2 votesThey'll become more popular, but he just got a plain nerf. There is no build or playstyle that benefits from these changes.
Jihyobda1 votesYes there are... Crit varus benefits from this changes and so does on hit ragblade Varus...
6Sfool3 votesNo.... They took 15% ad off of charged q, increased the cooldown by 4. Detonating a stack is not even enough to bring it back to the original cooldown assuming you have any cdr, so in no way does he benefit. If they made it so that cdr didn't reduce the cooldown refund it could be a buff, but that's not the case.
Glory ln Death2 votesDetonating a stack brings it back to exactly the original cooldown. Cooldown was increased by 4 seconds, Detonating a stack reduces the cooldown by 4 seconds.
Jihyobda2 votesOk... Let's have a little discussion shall we?
What has been nerfed?
DFT was nerfed in this patch by quite a bit, this affects a bit MF and Varus and really hurts Jhin's lategame if he goes for lethality because of how his passive works
MF was nerfed, they reduced her Q damage and they removed her bonus damage on it
Varus was nerfed, they nerfed his Q damage and CD
If i'm not mistaken these are the nerf to lethality ADC... But what actually got buffed?
Crit ADCs all across the board... Even crit MF and crit Varus... Why?
With the MF lethality nerfs they actually buffed crit MF because they changed her Q to make it crit if the first hit kills the target and that it actually can crit with crit chance, the best is to build hybrid lethality and crit like Jhin (also Black cleaver is not so viable anymore on MF ADC but can be good on MF supp)
Varus had his Q changed to reduce its cooldown if it blows a stack of his W, so now he has to AA in order to use his kit properly
Then we have the new Warlord's, it's really good actually, it synergizes very well with RFC and Statik's and it's really good for kiting and heals for a lot
The new Bork can actually be really good on crit ADCs over BT, because with Warlord's that heals you for even 50% every 3/4 autos in lategame the 20% lifesteal from BT can be overkill, the 15% from Bork is enough imo but it's situational, the new Bork is also better early game but it scales in the late very well and this helps Kalista and Bork/Triforce builds
Lucian got also buffed, it's more a qol change but I think it will bring him up a bit
And let's not forget that Fervor got buffed a few weeks ago, that helps Lucian, Ezreal and possibly Corki (but not that much because of his nerfs)
RacoonHunter2 votesVarus didn't really get nerfed.. You just have to go back to his original crit build with essence reaver. he's actually quite strong. Hell, I almost carried a game just now if it weren't for some bugs keeping me from auto attacking while inside of a J4 ult.. (unless they changed it, j4s ult does not cc you while inside)
Just because you still have a hard on for the lethality builds doesn't mean that they're dead because of it...
Mostro Gallo2 votesOh please, i don't think there's a single ADC below a 50% win rate
Glory ln Death7 votesWith at least 1 adc on each team in nearly every game, that is literally impossible.
Votable Jester2 votesWell if they all maintained a perfect 50% win rate against each other, and always won against the adc-less comps, it would be possible.
Sp33d Zer02 votesTwitch could easily fight them both I found.
ItsOrval1 votesI thought people hated adc and support because of the 4 man gank bot lane?
Also the only champions i ever see in adc anymore is 
and
Exalomaniac3 votesYes the 4man bot lane and the "jungler decides the lane" was making adcs really shit. Nerfing Varus because of a strong item build is dumb tho and is what riot has been doing wrong consistently
