Katarina "nerfs"

GorillazNtheMyst·Mar 28, 2015·2 votes·1,319 views

Every time Rito "nerfs" Kata I have to laugh, cause they never do anything actually all that impactful. She's still broken as fuck, but BALANCED cuz she has lower base health... Riiiiight...

So when are you guys ACTUALLY going to deal with the broken bullshit that is Katarina? Her win rate is over 50% for a reason, and the kicker is that she's stupid easy to play. Why do you continually reward champions that are basic but punish the ones that actually require skill to play? Please stop, balance team, just stop. You guys can't balance anything, you've only made this game incredibly unenjoyable for this season. Season 5 thus far has literally been the biggest practical joke on midlane I think ever. "Let's nerf everything to unusable shit except Nidalee, Katarina, and Heimer."

35 Comments

JustMyBassCannonMar 28, 20157 votes

Bitch more, retard.

There's no point in arguing with you, when you have no understanding of the concept of balance. I wouldn't trust you to balance a fucking see-saw, let alone League of Legends.

There's also no point in giving advice, because you polarized shitheads won't take anything less than basically breaking the champion so you can mindlessly, freely lane until the next champion comes along and screws you over.

Learn to play.

Mayor StubbsMar 28, 20151 votes

Whoa, kat fanatic detected.

JustMyBassCannonMar 28, 20151 votes

If I played Katarina more than once in Majora's Moon, you'd be right.

No, I'm a player who has grown a 12th sense; one that can detect when a person on a forum will not be negotiable in a rational argument.

Before you ask, yes, 12 senses: sight, smell, sound, touch, taste, gravity, humor, common, vision (not to be confused with sight), sarcasm, wit and idiot-detector.

Mayor StubbsMar 28, 20151 votes

Well if you're not a kat fanatic, then the alternative is an immature player who uses insults and rudeness in arguments.

JustMyBassCannonMar 29, 20153 votes

I said it would not be worth arguing.

The original post is bemoaning Riot's nerfs to Katarina, because they do not make her utterly useless.

They would literally never be satisfied, as long as Katarina is viable even in sub-Bronze.

I simply felt like calling them out for the whiny moron that they are. If that makes me immature, then I'll be damned sure to take that title. I'd rather be immature, yet intelligent.

AbyssphereMar 28, 20153 votes

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Whoa, kat fanatic detected.

I don't think he's a fanatic, probably someone who's just annoyed with ignorant threads about her. The OP is really not informed at all for the amount of aggression it contains and that's a pretty common trend among recent threads.

GorillazNtheMystMar 28, 20151 votes

By all means, speak in a tone that makes you sound a whole lot more legitimate than I. I'm so impressed by the way you dismissed my point - truly. Thank you. I guess I should just play bots from now since that's all I'm good for. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME THE LIGHT.

JustMyBassCannonMar 29, 20152 votes

Your "point" was that Riot's nerfs didn't make her fucking worthless.

They nerfed her early game innate defense and sustain. They targeted exactly what they wanted to change, and it's having the intended effect. Just because it doesn't make her faceroll-easy to beat in lane, it doesn't mean Riot's bad at balance. More likely, it means you need to learn to play.

The overall tone of your post and comments make me averse to actually debating, because you don't sound like you want advice or debate. You want people to agree with you. And I'm not a fucking Zergling, so you don't get my agreement.

BluePolarizerMar 28, 20153 votes

Its legit. Lower her base health, and even if you fail to CC her, you can still burst her down easier if you somehow survive.

GorillazNtheMystMar 28, 20151 votes

No, you know what would be a legitimate nerf? Making that bitch run on mana like the rest of us. THAT would be a nerf, instead of basically giving her free flashes every 10 seconds.

Lord DusteonMar 28, 20158 votes

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No, you know what would be a legitimate nerf? Making that bitch run on mana like the rest of us. THAT would be a nerf, instead of basically giving her free flashes every 10 seconds.

You know what a nerf is? Any change that lowers the power or strength of something. You know what LOSING 9% of your base hp and 60% of your base hp regen is? A friggin nerf.

And no, randomly gutting a champion is not "a legitimate nerf", it's a witch hunt. I might hate playing against Zed, but I'm not about to suggest his damage is halved or his ultimate does no damage. The point of nerfing is to bring a champion/item into a viable spot, not gut them.

GorillazNtheMystMar 28, 20151 votes

I didn't say that she wasn't nerfed, if you actually read my post correctly, only that the nerfs weren't all that lifechanging - like the last nerf on her passive. I main Azir - so I know all about nerfs and what they can do to a champion. Perhaps I'm just salty that Azir, Veigar, and Kass got shit on when Katarina got (and still gets) small slaps on the wrist it would seem.

JustMyBassCannonMar 29, 20152 votes

You mean Riot made mistakes when tweaking Azir, Veigar and Kassadin, but they did it right with Katarina?

Because I highly doubt they're intentionally fucking up nerfs/tweaks/reworks.

GroundRuleDoubleMar 28, 20153 votes

Solution #1: Stun her. Annie and Heimer are very good counters against Kat. Malzahar is also a very good counter. She can't do much to a good Malz, Annie, or Heimer.

Solution #2: Ban her in ranked or normal draft.

Problem solved.

Mayor StubbsMar 28, 20151 votes

At least it was SOMETHING, but I agree they took a really weird direction when looking for a way to nerf her...

The Sword SaintMar 28, 20153 votes

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At least it was SOMETHING, but I agree they took a really weird direction when looking for a way to nerf her...

They directly hit her in the place that people whine about the most - her relatively large lane sustain that comes from being manaless. They hit her hp sustain to force to her back more often or risk dying in the same way that an oom mage has to back or risk dying.

It's just that they hit her in a way that will only make her weaker against players of similar strength, when what crybabies wanted is to be able to beat the shit out of better players just because they picked kat.

AbyssphereMar 28, 20153 votes

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They directly hit her in the place that people whine about the most - her relatively large lane sustain that comes from being manaless. They hit her hp sustain to force to her back more often or risk dying in the same way that an oom mage has to back or risk dying.

It's just that they hit her in a way that will only make her weaker against players of similar strength, when what crybabies wanted is to be able to beat the shit out of better players just because they picked kat.

Exactly. The nerf to her HP and HP regen was very legitimate and an excellent way to weaken her by further hitting her laning phase. But Kat whiners won't accept it because the nerf puts a lot of power into Kat's enemy's hands. They don't want to have to work to win against Kat by abusing her poor early laning, they want to win against Kat by default.

The nerfs are real, you just need to be skillful to take advantage of them, and the Kat player needs to be skillful to have them not taken advantage of. IMO given the OP complains about her skillcap, that's a pretty perfect nerf.

Mayor StubbsMar 28, 20151 votes

While what you said was an issue, I see more complaints regarding the way she can still easily assassinate people without the use or her ult, which is already extremely strong.

AbyssphereMar 28, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fortune Pie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QPVU6Lnv,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-03-28T20:54:11.715+0000)

While what you said was an issue, I see more complaints regarding the way she can still easily assassinate people without the use or her ult, which is already extremely strong.

Huh? Her total damage without ult is 575 (+ 125% AP). That's not killing much of anyone unless someone else is putting out damage. Comparing her to a random mage, Syndra's QWE has 754 (+ 179% AP) damage. And that's a random example, most other mages have similarly high damage output compared to Kat. Kat can do a significant amount of damage come late game with QEW but it's not an assassination pattern at all, someone will only die to it if she has other people complementing her burst.

Mayor StubbsMar 28, 20151 votes

On paper it doesn't look like a crazy amount, the reason it's so strong on kat is because she can use all her abilities in an instant with no casts to do all the damage at once, while normal burst mages do more damage, but not instantaneous like kat

AbyssphereMar 29, 20151 votes

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On paper it doesn't look like a crazy amount, the reason it's so strong on kat is because she can use all her abilities in an instant with no casts to do all the damage at once, while normal burst mages do more damage, but not instantaneous like kat

I know it has that damage, but that doesn't make it an assassination. Assassinating someone involves 100-0 burst and no matter how quickly Kat's damage happens, she just doesn't have the scaling in her basic abilities.

The speed of her abilities is useful in trading and getting as much damage as possible before CC hits but that doesn't make it assassin burst.

WukongMainMar 28, 20151 votes

Kat's ability to pentakill is directly related to her enemy unable to cc her...

noo cc the Kat, and death is sure to come your way

Just cc the kat before she brings the claws out...

SleepyLionCubMar 28, 20151 votes

Her laning is horrible untill level 6. Even after level six, if ur up against any of the 50 mid laners who can interrupt her ult she is still a bad pick.

GroundRuleDoubleMar 28, 20151 votes

Her laning phase isn't that bad. Her harass combo of Q,E,W does a lot damage and gets our out without much damage on herself. She has a much better pre 6 than Akali, for sure.

The Sword SaintMar 28, 20151 votes

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Her laning phase isn't that bad. Her harass combo of Q,E,W does a lot damage and gets our out without much damage on herself. She has a much better pre 6 than Akali, for sure.

That 'harass' combo overextends her with no abilities left and no escape. If she 'harasses' like that once when the enemy junger is near (not hard to bait if shes using this 'harass combo' more then once every 5 minutes) then shes dead even if she flashes since a flash will just take her back to where she was before she jumped in. Harassing with that combo is the ballsiest cockiest shit ever and if you never punish that that doesnt mean its not a stupid thing to do.

GroundRuleDoubleMar 30, 20151 votes

Just ward, then you won't get caught. Also, you don't do this if you're well past the middle of the lane.

EnkidusmurfMar 28, 20151 votes

Heimer? Really? Dude, you just LeBlanc'd your chances of being taken seriously.

DJ Di0Mar 28, 20152 votes

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Heimer? Really? Dude, you just LeBlanc'd your chances of being taken seriously.

How is it not a good suggestion? Heimer can easily keep Kat from farming due to her being melee. If he gets all-inned at 6, literally all he has to do is have his stun up, use it 1 teemo away from him, and Ult-Q.

GorillazNtheMystMar 28, 20151 votes

I mention Heimer because of his win rate, not because he has anything to do with Katarina specifically.

EnkidusmurfMar 29, 20152 votes

He said Riot had "nerfed everything to unusable shit" except Nid, Heimer, and Kat. But to say every other mid is unusable shit, compared to someone who is totally dependent on setting up 3-4 turrets around him to have any presence (in team fights, in late game pushes, in taking objectives, etc.) is just flat out ridiculous.

Heimer is good for surviving the laning phase against Kat and a few other assassins, and he's okay for split-pushing. But there are so many better picks for mid lane.

RaptameiMar 28, 20151 votes

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broken bullshit

Her win rate is over 50%

-facepalm-

LaferMar 28, 20151 votes

She has way too much aoe damage for a champion without mana ,low cooldown,cooldown reduction on kill and assist and high mobility.There are single target assasin like akali or kassadin that is not even to the kind of damage she can pull even if your team is all cc she still deal tons of damage .

and she is too easy to play also you throw your knife you jump in ult and zhonya you and then finish people off with your cooldown return.

Even lb is less broken at least she is single target burst and she is a less bigger treat late game since she only kill 1 personne at the time .

What i dont understand is why akali and kassadin went tru the nerf bat but lb and kat zed can still 1 shot people really easly.