[GIF] There is a huge issue with Ryze and it would be time to fix it

Namazu Ebisu··2 votes·606 views

Two things :

Cause yea why the fuck not? Let's build tanky and get rewarded with damage! Also, let's give him a ghost and barrier free on a spell, and reset that spell by using other abilities.

Time for the rework, real fast.

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Variks the Loyal3 votes

That Ryze is two levels above that Ashe and presumably has at least and item up on her, of course he's going to kill her fast.

Also, if Ryze opts to take his innate barrier, he loses out on a lot of his damage potential and it requires him to be in range for his other, really short range abilities to activate.

Ryze's kit is fine.

Namazu Ebisu2 votes

It's clearly not. He is a very early game bully that can easily gap close with a movement speed burst he doesn't need (and shield coupled to that).

He has a ridiculous point & click snare that does damage and allows him to very easily burst down anyone using Q reset that does bonus damage for some reason.

His whole kit is just too much, every sane person says that and that's why he was nerfed this patch to begin with but it's still not enough. He has a huge ban ratio and high elo players love him, he's not fine at all;

Variks the Loyal2 votes

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It's clearly not. He is a very early game bully that can easily gap close with a movement speed burst he doesn't need (and shield coupled to that).

He has a ridiculous point & click snare that does damage and allows him to very easily burst down anyone using Q reset that does bonus damage for some reason.

His whole kit is just too much, every sane person says that and that's why he was nerfed this patch to begin with but it's still not enough. He has a huge ban ratio and high elo players love him, he's not fine at all;

He can't gap close with the movement speed; it requires him to lane two spells prior to an Overload cast and leaves him with all his abilities on cooldown, which means no damage. It's a tactic where Ryze sacrifices damage to escape from the clutches of an enemy or survive in a teamfight.

His point-and-click snare has very low range for a spell, and doesn't last a very long time if it isn't buffed by Flux, and if it is, he loses out on damage potential. In order to achieve the burst damage, he needs to be able to endure the damage that his enemy dishes out without a shield to back him up, which Ryze can't always do. He's also outranged by the majority of mages in the game.

Weathered1 votes

Ryze was two levels ahead of you and you had pretty much no MR at all.

Counter the shield by baiting out the Archangels and then kiting as much as possible, the shields don't last long.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

If you look closely i'm not the Ashe on the video (well you can check the username...)

Your point is valid but the issue is still the same, the damage remain the here at all game lenght : early pressure, mid burst and late completely unkillable assassin that can spam out huge bursts of damage with shields.

I don't find that normal, actually most of people don't in most elos, i have no clue why he's still not nerfed on at least his Q passives. He was never normal to begin with this rework. Had great utility in worlds and high elo and people started to ban him a lot more nowadays.

You can't really "bait" a shield in teamfight where he can freely dps you from distance and ruin anyone with a point & click 1,5 seconds snare...

Weathered2 votes

I've barely seen him in games above gold after the recent nerfs and his Korean winrate is 48% (the server that historically has done the best with him). I don't think he is in need of any more nerfs.

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