How Does One Climb Under These Circumstances?

RIP Resonance·Aug 17, 2015·3 votes·739 views

I main support. It's my best role. Yasuo was single handedly the reason we lost this game. Literally, every-single-lane was ahead. We tried laneswaping Irelia into mid and Yasuo into top. Still, Yasuo continued to feed. I just cannot fathom why this summoner could not listen to his teammates.

_"Stop feeding" ... "Build a banshees" : "I have absolutely no idea what defensive items are, nor do I have any idea how to build against my opponent." _

These are players in Gold, Low Platinum, and High Silver. Honestly, we probably would have preformed better had Yasuo been disconnected.

Why is my Elo judged based on Yasuo's poor performance, lack of warding, and refusal to communicate?

What can I do?

This post will probably get downvoted, but I'm at the end of my rope.

5 Comments

Puri Puri TaricAug 17, 20152 votes

same as in silver nothing to see here move on. go play dota 2 where you actually can carrie games 2v5 like i did.

Lord BoltrixAug 17, 20151 votes

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same as in silver nothing to see here move on. go play dota 2 where you actually can carrie games 2v5 like i did.

Instead of telling the person to quit and do another game, whether or not because you favor the game or just think LoL is bad, why not be constructive in your advice?

And my advice to the original poster, remember that this is one game, with one less than stellar gamer, if you can consistently win your lanes through trades of skill, you should be able to control the flow of your future games. As a Morde main, I have control of the match if my opponent in lane does not counter me completely (Swain, Malzahar, Heimerdinger), and even in those match-ups, if you know Mordekaiser and Swain better than your opponent, it shows. My lane is not just pushed, but the sheer insane pressure I put basically tells the enemy team that the game is in my control until they send the jungler to gank ME.

Some people want to avoid being ganked, but people often forget that when a jungler is ganking your lane, it's because of something you are doing, either a) you're so incompetent that you're basically a free kill, or b) you're doing so well that if they don't respond, you might steamroll the competition. And when a jungler is ganking your lane, they are literally unable to be ganking others, and if they are camping your lane, you've basically told your teammates that you've done your part to keep pressure off of them.

If your team in that scenario cannot make meaningful progress in such a favorable situation for the team, it means a) they are bad, b) they are put against a really bad counter and lack the skill for sheer outplay, or c) they have been killed/outfarmed to the point the differential between the laners is too vast. In those cases, the jungler should, if they can, gank those lanes to punish your opponents for being out of position.

Those are the circumstances of when you're on a team with people who listen, but there are games where there will be people who don't listen. There WILL be games with trolls, with AFKers, with feeders, they are a symptom of different issue of league that has nothing to do with you as a player. Worst of all, however, are the 'Heroes' of League, the people who are so confident in their abilities that they put themselves into dangerous situations like 1v3s to 'save the day.' People who usually do this are either smurfs, have been fed all game, or are extremely arrogant... likely they will not listen to what you say because what you often suggest does not comply with their idealistic view of how the game goes: they are the hero and the leader of the team, those who disagree are trying to screw you over for their own personal glory or because they are jealous of you.

You can't talk with such people, their perfections are their own doing and their imperfections are yours, there is no 'reasoning' with such people until they get a reality check, something you can't afford in the 20+ minutes of a League game. My advice then? Work your team strategy around this individual, play to his vanity and adapt your actions around him. Chances are you will not be seeing this person ever again, and if this one match is so important, you can afford a small suffering of pride for the sake of victory. Surround him with your team, appeal to him, let him get as many kills to avoid injuring and instead stroking his ego, it will only make him more likely to work with you as long as he feels that he is in control.

Eventually, the enemy team will begin to focus them, and a good team will be able to adapt to the loss of one member, and if you can turn such a match around, you can win and appeal to this member, stroking their ego to alleviate any frustration they have, saying 'even when you die, we win,' or 'they need all 5 members to kill you,' etc. etc. That is if the match means enough to you, like your ranked promos, because as long as your teammate is not AFK, a troll, or a feeder, you can work with toxic individuals as long as they haven't devolved into one of those prior three things.

The only other thing you can do, if your pride is that much to you, is the other method of working around a troublesome teammate: work with what you have, take the troublesome teammate and treat him as a constant. You will know pretty quickly what they will do, adapt and use them as a distraction for things like objective control or split-pushing. Yasuo tries to massively push mid lane, even if every time he gets piled on by the entire enemy team? Push the other two lanes at the same time to the towers, and get out before they can move in on your positions, steal camps so the jungler is denied. Work a guerilla-warfare campaign, in the late game each and every death matters, so long as you avoid an ace you can usually recover from situations and make meaningful headway.

That's all the advice I can give you in these circumstances.

Puri Puri TaricAug 17, 20151 votes

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Instead of telling the person to quit and do another game, whether or not because you favor the game or just think LoL is bad, why not be constructive in your advice?

And my advice to the original poster, remember that this is one game, with one less than stellar gamer, if you can consistently win your lanes through trades of skill, you should be able to control the flow of your future games. As a Morde main, I have control of the match if my opponent in lane does not counter me completely (Swain, Malzahar, Heimerdinger), and even in those match-ups, if you know Mordekaiser and Swain better than your opponent, it shows. My lane is not just pushed, but the sheer insane pressure I put basically tells the enemy team that the game is in my control until they send the jungler to gank ME.

Some people want to avoid being ganked, but people often forget that when a jungler is ganking your lane, it's because of something you are doing, either a) you're so incompetent that you're basically a free kill, or b) you're doing so well that if they don't respond, you might steamroll the competition. And when a jungler is ganking your lane, they are literally unable to be ganking others, and if they are camping your lane, you've basically told your teammates that you've done your part to keep pressure off of them.

If your team in that scenario cannot make meaningful progress in such a favorable situation for the team, it means a) they are bad, b) they are put against a really bad counter and lack the skill for sheer outplay, or c) they have been killed/outfarmed to the point the differential between the laners is too vast. In those cases, the jungler should, if they can, gank those lanes to punish your opponents for being out of position.

Those are the circumstances of when you're on a team with people who listen, but there are games where there will be people who don't listen. There WILL be games with trolls, with AFKers, with feeders, they are a symptom of different issue of league that has nothing to do with you as a player. Worst of all, however, are the 'Heroes' of League, the people who are so confident in their abilities that they put themselves into dangerous situations like 1v3s to 'save the day.' People who usually do this are either smurfs, have been fed all game, or are extremely arrogant... likely they will not listen to what you say because what you often suggest does not comply with their idealistic view of how the game goes: they are the hero and the leader of the team, those who disagree are trying to screw you over for their own personal glory or because they are jealous of you.

You can't talk with such people, their perfections are their own doing and their imperfections are yours, there is no 'reasoning' with such people until they get a reality check, something you can't afford in the 20+ minutes of a League game. My advice then? Work your team strategy around this individual, play to his vanity and adapt your actions around him. Chances are you will not be seeing this person ever again, and if this one match is so important, you can afford a small suffering of pride for the sake of victory. Surround him with your team, appeal to him, let him get as many kills to avoid injuring and instead stroking his ego, it will only make him more likely to work with you as long as he feels that he is in control.

Eventually, the enemy team will begin to focus them, and a good team will be able to adapt to the loss of one member, and if you can turn such a match around, you can win and appeal to this member, stroking their ego to alleviate any frustration they have, saying 'even when you die, we win,' or 'they need all 5 members to kill you,' etc. etc. That is if the match means enough to you, like your ranked promos, because as long as your teammate is not AFK, a troll, or a feeder, you can work with toxic individuals as long as they haven't devolved into one of those prior three things.

The only other thing you can do, if your pride is that much to you, is the other method of working around a troublesome teammate: work with what you have, take the troublesome teammate and treat him as a constant. You will know pretty quickly what they will do, adapt and use them as a distraction for things like objective control or split-pushing. Yasuo tries to massively push mid lane, even if every time he gets piled on by the entire enemy team? Push the other two lanes at the same time to the towers, and get out before they can move in on your positions, steal camps so the jungler is denied. Work a guerilla-warfare campaign, in the late game each and every death matters, so long as you avoid an ace you can usually recover from situations and make meaningful headway.

That's all the advice I can give you in these circumstances.

good job on wasting your time with that.

Lord BoltrixAug 17, 20151 votes

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good job on wasting your time with that.

Well I gave him advice on the situation: he was in a game with a player who refused to cooperate or follow advice of his team, who at least made build suggestions since the Yasuo seemed to lack the ability to reactively build items. My advice only stems as far as you're willing to go to win, if you were not that desperate to win, the game didn't meant that much to you, that is all. When a need to win exceeds the need to retain dignity and pride, you will be surprised what people are willing to do.

NemeBroAug 17, 20151 votes

Bad Yasuos are the greatest obstacle toward climbing. A Bad Yasuo will feed in new and interesting ways you've never imagined, and carrying one in the elo you play at is the truest rite of passage for advancing a tier.