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Fiora is broken, not overpowered - broken.

Awnold··19 votes·10,737 views

Hear me out, I believe that Fiora is NOT overpowered, but instead has too much power in one area, and is weaker in another. What do I mean by this? Her ultimate, is a Janna ultimate, plus three Garen ultimates combined, into one. This is NOT how a duelist is supposed to be. Her ultimate is literally, Grand Challenge, for a reason. It's a challenge, not for healing.

A fiora once told me, when I was playing Nasus, "Fiora is an anti-tankburster!". Which, in my opinion, should NOT be the case. Logically, Fiora should be a very snowball type champion, and when behind, should NOT be able to fight. Sort of like Riven, because, a duelist who is weaker, can not fight someone who is stronger. Dealing true damage is ridiculous, and needs to be changed into something else like reducing CDs of other abilities, granting more movement speed, and dealing a bit more damage.

When you deal 1500 damage to someone, that is literally, 3 Garen ultimates, on you, that is true, and gets a Janna Monsoon, twice as powerful. I'm not kidding. Fiora players can easily reach the top leaderboards for healing, which I find ridiculous. Fiora should be more offensive, and dangerous, and not a safe choice if you are looking to hit the vitals of an opponent, and expect true damage of 100 to come out.

Fiora's passive needs to be changed from true damage, that seems that Riot has seemingly slammed on to Fiora because they didn't know what to do, and gave her healing, because it seemed "right", even though it definitely wasn't. Giving healing is not the true identity of Fiora, and should instead give a speed boost to herself, and will reset all cooldowns on her abilities, and give massively increased attackspeed.

I've seen enemies from 100 HP, turn to 1000 HP, in an instant, just because of Fiora's ultimate. This is overpowered, and power needs to be shifted around. Nerfing her ultimate allows Fiora to get a stronger W (lower CD), and a stronger E (more slow, more dmg), and making her reset cooldowns will allow her to be a true duelist to fit her identity.

Riot slaps on true damage, because it "fits" her kit, when in reality, it's an unhealthy mechanic, being impossibly difficult to build against, and play against. It's unfun, and should be removed, and changed. There is no doubt that Fiora's ultimate is OP, but, to the diehard Fiora mains who will probably downvote this post, go ahead. I am prepared. I believe that power should be shifted, and Fiora's kit should actually cover her identity like it truly should.

11 Comments

Caytheles10 votes

I want to add to this, I fought a Fiora who had no idea what she was doing. and was complaining about the abilities because it was her first time.

she ended up killing me by Q ing multiple times, she missed Riposte every time but still blocked the dmg... and after she got ONE FUCKING SHITTY LITTLE FUCK FUCK Lifesteal item.... she just dominated.

So yeah.... even noobs can play fiora, "we wanted to make her kit and playstyle more complex" --people who should get fired from riot.

no... she is probably AS much bullshit as her old self. atleaste she had little counterplay.... But that little counterplay was enough. New fiora has almost no Counterplay unless you play fucking Darius. Wich is also a bullshit champ now.

Face it, this game turned to shit and it will most likely keep turning to shit,.

Ixoziel7 votes

I disagree when you say she should not be able to fight unless she's snowballing. Why? Because Riven can solo entire teams due to her AoE damage. Fiora doesn't have that luxury, she's purely single target. Why exactly would you pick her if you need to snowball just to 1v1 someone?

That being said, I think the AD ratio is too high on her passive (which makes her ult hit very hard). Being able to proc 10% of someone's MAX hp as true damage on a very short cd just isn't healthy. It's very easy to hit the weak spots due to the very short CD on Q. Her damage outside of those procs is very "meh", but if you stack up the AD it's not unreasonable to see 12-13% max hp hits. Honestly, I would make it physical damage.

That ALSO being said, parry needs a shorter CD if her damage gets nerfed (which it should). I think 10 base CD at max level should be enough to give her more defensive power. Right now, it just doesn't do much because the CD is so long. You don't really notice how weak it is because of her insane damage.

ZT Xperimentor7 votes

Her rework changed her to be like a cross between vayne & rivin, both of whom are frustating to fight unless you're significantly ahead. Fiora is just more aggravating than before now that she's another assassin with anti-crowd-control.

ImSoFull7 votes

Well... Being able to 1vs1 any champion because clicking w is "counterplay" is awesome. Also having a 2second dash the procs stuff makes her balanced, also dectect Invisible units/targets for you. And her ult that heals your team for 3k hp beccause she managed to 3shot someone is totally fair. And having the ability to 1vs3 lategame and still manage to kill them is fair.

On a serious note, she's just overloaded. A heal that outclasses Soraka's? A 2second dash? I didn't know we were talking about Yauso. Have fun trying to run away from her, because what's cc when she's got w. As a matter of fact, what's an ability since it blocks every fucking thing in the game from ignite to deathmark. Not to mention she's got retarded mana cost. Pretty sure it's like 20mana to cast her q. Nerf her mana cost and cooldown. And change/rework her ult to fit her kit more. Well shit what am i talking about, this won't happen until the Project skins come out beside Rito is fucking greedy. Wouldn't be supprised if they gutted her to the ground 3weeks after the project skin release cause "mooolah is life"

Ser Garland2 votes

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Well... Being able to 1vs1 any champion because clicking w is "counterplay" is awesome. Also having a 2second dash the procs stuff makes her balanced, also dectect Invisible units/targets for you. And her ult that heals your team for 3k hp beccause she managed to 3shot someone is totally fair. And having the ability to 1vs3 lategame and still manage to kill them is fair.

On a serious note, she's just overloaded. A heal that outclasses Soraka's? A 2second dash? I didn't know we were talking about Yauso. Have fun trying to run away from her, because what's cc when she's got w. As a matter of fact, what's an ability since it blocks every fucking thing in the game from ignite to deathmark. Not to mention she's got retarded mana cost. Pretty sure it's like 20mana to cast her q. Nerf her mana cost and cooldown. And change/rework her ult to fit her kit more. Well shit what am i talking about, this won't happen until the Project skins come out beside Rito is fucking greedy. Wouldn't be supprised if they gutted her to the ground 3weeks after the project skin release cause "mooolah is life"

She used to be able to stack her dashes. her parry used to be able to just shut down one or two specific champions.

Riposte is still bait-able omg. I agree it seems a little weird that you can parry summoner spells, but you gotta understand that it's all mind games. It isn't a shield, it's not some aura that you can have revolving around you as you fight to ensure a trade.

Her parry literally stops what she's doing for .75 seconds and if you're facing her you take a bit of damage. whatever you throw at her first while she's using metapod's "harden' gets negated. Think Braum, except braum's lasts longer, he can move while doing so, and he gets a bonus damage reduction afterwords.

If you throw a hard crowd control from your kit into the hardening metapod that is fiora for that .75 seconds, you can be stunned. It's not a hard concept to understand. You bait out the parry, (You lose nothing by doing this btw, just save your finisher for after the bait) and once this happens, you have over 20 seconds to deal a boatload of damage on this squishy fencer that has no shield, no hard cc, no natural sustain to help her.

I'll say it again, her heal is not guaranteed. Sorakas, and Jannas is. Her heal is a reward for pulling off one of the most difficult situational ultimate in the game. Name one other ultimate that requires you to do something more complex to get results.

RaykanGhost6 votes

Here is my opinion: I just had a game, me as Darius vs a Fiora. Ok lane phase was on my side, didn't actually kill her since she was playing really safe. A Teemo jungler ganked me, still safe. She hits level 6 after me, INSTANTLY lunges, doesn't wreck me, but from 50 health with Hemorrage 5 stacks she went to 500 health. I said ok, i can still deal with this. Mid game and i still never killed her due to her ulti heal, made me go from 1/0/0 from a tp gank from me, to 1/5/0... Allright, this is BAD. I should just farm and play safe. After that i ganked other lanes while protecting mine, i went from 1/5/0 to 12/5/0, then i agreed to myself: Well Darius is broken. Just when i was on my lane farming under tower a lvl15 fiora appears. I had 3000 health, died in 2.53 seconds, did no dmg to her because of her lf and ulti, and when i saw the dmg she did to me, she did 3000 TRUE DAMAGE with ulti... I then bought thornmail thinking: She has 2000k health, i have a good burst dmg, this might work... WRONG... While i did see her lifebar getting down fast, i also saw her regening INSANE amounts of health, while also dealing insane damage. In the end she aced my entire team alone, full health after penta, and ended game. My team was fed, fioras was feeding. Riot buffed her so much giving her a ulti that offers insane damage and healing to make her ulti more team friendly since before she always played alone... Well it got such a huge buff that she doesnt need her team anymore, she was 15/10/14 in the end. For me this is the new master yi, especially if she runs skirmishers saber with devourer, she would just win her lane right when she'd hit level 6. Ok maybe she doesnt have aoe dmg, true, but give her a hydra, there, she is all about aa's, and with that amount of true damage plus healing, how can someone besides rammus deal with her? Heck, i dont even know if rammus could due to the darned heal! Well then cc ever heard of that? Well she just parries it... Either remove heal or switch true dmg, from ulti only, to physical. I dont ask for a big nerf, but give her a weakness... Ranged champions, allright true, but darius has that weakness too and doesnt heal that much neither deal that much true dmg, though i do agree darius could do with a bit of less dmg bonus from passive.

Ser Garland4 votes

I don't think you understand her moniker. Fiora, THE GRAND DUELIST.

Her fantasy should be that she can duel anyone. From the bulkiest Mundo, to the fastest Kennen, Fiora should have the tools necessary to potentially outplay any opponent. She is the one v one me bro of champions. And should be.

And unlike what they did with Riven (Sticking a ton of hard CC and mobility on a resouceless champion) They created an auto attacking mass of stats with an untargetability ult, and called her a duelist.

This of course didn't fit the fantasy, and the whole feast or famine quality that old Fiora had was one of the reasons why she was reworked in the first place. THAT FIORA was broken. You'd either be completely useless or so over powered that all you'd need to do was press R and entire teams would perish. It was bull shit. Do you ever remember an old fed Fiora? You could barely do anything against her. At least this Fiora's best quality if fed is she can win any one on one trade. She still gets overwhelmed by dog piling.

This isn't even saying that she's not without counters. Olaf, Renekton, Garen, Darius, Pantheon all those champions with non telegraphed CC or champions with no hard CC knock her sideways naturally. A Fiora has to time her moves perfectly to fight a Riven. And unlike Riven, she runs out of steam quite easily thanks to her mana as a resource.

As for her ultimate: I recall a few weeks ago threads were being posted about how hard it is to trigger her ult successfully. Now people have the audacity to claim that it is comparable to a Janna ult and four Garen ultimates???

It's called "The Grand Challenge". If you would play into the fantasy, Fiora is -CHALLENGING- you. The Grand Duelist. Just step away from the challenge. In lane the worst you suffer is 7-8 seconds of CS. Late game, unless you're alone, the rest of your team can quite easily peel for your get away.

Janna's ult is an INSTANTANEOUS Aoe Knock back and heal. It's completely reliable and fast. Garen's is the same. It's instant execute damage that is targeted. Fiora's ultimate does no instantaneous damage once triggered. You have to hit all four sides, or at least one before killing your target, with your normal abilities. Your target is a living breathing player that can deny you this mini game. They can back up against a wall if they need to. Denying you practically anything other than three 10 percent HP true damage which you probably took a beating to get to.

This thread is absolutely heinous in its realism.

Joe Armstrong2 votes

Fiora main detected. How can you possible trying to defend such bullshit broken as fk kit? Delete fiora or bring the old fiora back.

Boo Koo God3 votes

Her rework made her into a machine that building any armor against worthless. How is she a duelist when she always in the thick of a fight against more than one person. It makes me sick to play against her, their is no counter I have found against her where she just doesn't parry everything and then smack when you true damage.

pPbwi30RyP2 votes

u mean, a janna ultimate and 4 weaker,lower ranged garen ults but it isnt just press r? and it doesnt knockback? and has higher cd?

MalzaharAnyLane1 votes

Her rework needs to be reverted, hands-down.

Untargetable ult + basically no passive was way more reasonable to balance than OP passive + broken ass situationally nonsensical ult that gets her blown up in teamfights with CC focus

Seriously all she needed was her old kit and the new W and she would have been fine, instead she's some kind of frankenstenian retard that is even more binary than the old kit.

Now instead of a strong lane phase, she has a broken lane phase, her ult just keeps the enemy team down when her team is ahead and is useless when her team is behind because she'll probably die before triggering any vitals.

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