"You suck for a ___ player".

Awnold··132 votes·7,355 views

A bronze 4 Fiora told me this in a norm game, when I was playing Yasuo and fed quite a bit. She says, "Fiora isn't OP, you just suck really bad for a gold player."

This is one of the most toxic thing you can do, and really lowers my self esteem with a champion, and confidence, and makes me go on tilt pretty damn bad. Don't do this. It makes me not want to even touch the champion anymore to be honest with you. Might sound I'm being a baby about it, but it really does suck hearing that.

124 Comments

RoMz43 votes

God forbid I do bad in a normal game its "omg boosted diamond XD i deserve challenjour"

or if i do good "shouldn't you playing ranked? Why are you playing norms?!?"

Can't a guy just play some norms with some friends in peace?

Dar Raksada4 votes

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God forbid I do bad in a normal game its "omg boosted diamond XD i deserve challenjour"

or if i do good "shouldn't you playing ranked? Why are you playing norms?!?"

Can't a guy just play some norms with some friends in peace?

I have the same problem (except I'm plat, so omg you suck how are you plat etc.) as I usually underperfom in normal games (I'm not that good mechanically) and I like practicing stuff for ranked or playing new/fun stuff.

Lugg19 votes

This is what you need.

7ha7guy77715 votes

Crazy concept: people at X rank don't play every single champion or role at X level. They might play some champions at a higher level than their rank while they play others at a much lower level because they don't play that role or champion often among other reasons.

ClatoVerataNicto4 votes

I play mid at a mid/high plat level and I jungle at a silver level. Who would have thunk. Don't get all excited if you beat me when I'm jungling or adc.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

I will however get excited when I'm jungling with old garen and destroy a diamon sejuani before the nerfs XD

ClatoVerataNicto1 votes

As you should. Too bad there is only new Garen now.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

yeahhh still not as bad as new darius however, but atm everyone seems to be on the garen hype train

Axxuka1 votes

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Crazy concept: people at X rank don't play every single champion or role at X level. They might play some champions at a higher level than their rank while they play others at a much lower level because they don't play that role or champion often among other reasons.

In season 4 Played mid lane as Gold but I was till Bronze V worthy in the jungle. HOW CAN THIS BE ??? Scarra is Diamond 1 but put him in the jungle and he will be Bronze/Silver Instantly lol

Maximum Morde12 votes

You kinda asked for it playing Yasuo.....you filthy weeb.

Joquan8 votes

I can't believe people upvote these kinds of answers. Salty trashies still QQing that hard about yasuo? good lord.

SteelStallion11 votes

Oh give me a break. Honestly, I think you're being kind of soft. Use the mute button. Troll him. Ignore him. Whatever. I've never seen a community that is so inept at dealing with trash talk in my life. There's a double standard that exists in this game, for that matter, where taunting and spamming laugh animations are mechanically supported in the game, but taunting someone in the chat is frowned upon. "GG easy" is a bannable fucking offense but you have champions that outright say "LOL THAT WAS EASY".

Grow some thicker skin. If you're THAT insecure about your skills as a player, maybe you really do suck at Yasuo, and you should instead take that as a sign that you need to read some guides or videos or practice some more.

TNHA Baritone3 votes

Taunting and Spamming can both be turned off with mute just as taunting someone in chat. You honestly sound uneducated as you compared champion quotes which are implemented for accurate champion persona while Post Game taunts are full of malice and hate. In a League full of Legends almost every champion taunts. In a community full of summoners many summoners will taunt and telling people to grow a thick skin is showing tolerance for this...social epidemic. You also don't understand that some people are not arrogant by nature. It is their personality. Instead of insulting him and sounding like a complete ass, you could take the time to realize that not everyone handles the same thing equally.

SteelStallion6 votes

Champion taunts often break the 4th wall. They're in there for comical purposes, happen to conform to a champion's theme, but that's not the reason for their implementation.

And yes I'm comparing the two. I didn't realize comparing the two makes me "uneducated". Is there a course I can take called "LOL 101: League Taunts and Social Behavior"? Where'd you get your degree in League of Legends?

Standing over someone's corpse and spamming laughter, or spamming a taunt around an opponent you are dominating, is arguably just as toxic as typing "Lol you're a really easy opponent" in all chat. In fact, it's almost the same thing.

Social epidemic? Don't be melodramatic. People taunt each other in multiplayer games, have always done so and will continue to do so. I agree that there is a line that people shouldn't cross, if someone is just blatantly throwing expletives or racist comments towards you or something of that nature, but simple TAUNTS?

You can act sanctimonious if you like, but the real social epidemic is the game being neutered because people want to act entitled and play the victim when they could just disable All Chat if they can't take the kind of arm punching that exists in EVERY other online game.

TNHA Baritone3 votes

You're basically taunting the guy for being open to what others think. How can I not call you idiotic? It's hypocritical to say that taunting in league is a double standard when you're doing it on boards. The social epidemic isn't taunting people in a game. It is cyberbullying and the notion that you shouldn't be who you are because that doesnt conform to the likes of your enemies and teamates. If he wants to see his enemies input as something greater / more meaningful, whose to say can't without being identified as a victim. Is it bad for a person to expect others to follow the simple guidelines that the game enforce? League needs less players who simply ignore toxic behavior. I'm guessing you're one of those people that see the problem and ignore it or label it and slap an excuse on it.

SteelStallion4 votes

Honestly man, I'm a little confused by your posts. You're saying all these things that just don't make sense. I think you're just throwing out platitudes and words that, some how, you don't know the meaning of (you don't seem to know what double standards are, don't know what hypocrisy is, didn't get the "uneducated" joke). Is English not your first language? I'll try to speak in a simpler fashion to accommodate your poor comprehension (I'm not trying to insult you, I genuinely think you aren't comprehending these things) Arguing with you is a little bit of a hassle but I'll do my best.

The uneducated part was a joke that clearly flew over your head. Moving on though.

No, it's not hypocritical to say that taunting in league is a double standard. Hypocrisy is claiming one thing when really the opposite is true. For one thing, I never said I don't taunt people. I love taunting people in fact. Also, I wasn't "taunting" him, I was criticizing him for how soft he's being. Two different things. I even gave him advice on what to do so as far as I'm concerned it was constructive criticism. I trust you can Google the definition of "double standard", re-read my previous paragraph and figure out where you're wrong there as well. That's homework.

I'm trying really really hard to understand your garbled sentences, so bear with me here.

It is cyberbullying and the notion that you shouldn't be who you are because that doesnt conform to the likes of your enemies and teamates.

See, now this is a good example of a double standard. On the one hand, you're telling me that part of the social epidemic is that you cannot be yourself because "you must conform to the likes of your enemies and team mates", but on the other hand you're telling me that my taunting people in good fun is part of the social epidemic. That's who I am. It doesn't seem to conform to the likes of some of my enemies, and that's kind of the point, but then why is that not also part of the "social epidemic" (lmao)?

The guidelines do not disallow taunting. The game mechanically encourages it.

If he wants to see his enemies input as something greater / more meaningful, whose to say can't without being identified as a victim.

What? So you want to ban taunting or something because you want the enemy to ONLY say things like "Good job!" "Wow, well played!" "Here is some advice on how to beat me;" "Lel le meme we can all laugh at lelelelel"

How about we just make things simple and give everyone a cue card of approved phrases? How about we delete the chatbox and just bind certain Riot/Community approved phrases to F1-F9? That'll eliminate toxicity, I bet! It'll also eliminate most social elements from the game and leave it an empty fucking husk because the overwhelmingly sensitive are apparently entitled to all of our attention if they stand up and say "I'm offended!"

League needs less players who simply ignore toxic behavior. I'm guessing you're one of those people that see the problem and ignore it or label it and slap an excuse on it.

I think you're confusing toxic behavior with taunts, mate. They're two different things. Professional athletes taunt each other. Kids taunt each other. Friends taunt each other. Calling someone a filthy n!gger jew cock lover degenerate who should kill himself immediately is toxic behavior. Saying someone sucks at the champion they're playing, or that you're better than them, or that this game is easy, is a taunt.

But whatever. You don't really have to argue your case, poor of a case as you're making. Riot's on your side, you know. They'll keep listening to you gerbils whining about every little perceived slight someone sends your way, crying that it's the reason League is becoming a worse game and it's really the reason you're still in bronze or silver or whatever. And they're going to continue to neuter this game until it's a kiddie playground with rainbow arches and superficial smiles on everyone's faces while tyrannical overlords point ban guns at their heads and make sure everyone is getting along nicely, or else.

When this game is a rotting fucking husk devoid of any life or lively players throwing a jest about, you'll have yourselves and your strangling politically accurate bandwagon attitude to blame.

Bastard Chief3 votes

Exactly. These guys need to just go and take their ass straight back to bot games only UNTIL they become good. As I said, people wouldn't be toxic if players actually played like players, and used their brains instead of aimlessly going full retard and feeding.

You do more harm to your team by not practicing and mastering the champion you are playing. So yeah, go to bot games, use the mutton button, stop reporting everyone for any little word.

LOL, I got reported last night for winning a match and destroying people with Heimerdinger. Apparently, he's OP, although I never had a problem against him. So these trolls bait me into being toxic by calling me names, and stuff, and insulting me for a champion I sometimes play. I then get reported for calling them trash although they were, and saying I could beat them 1v1 with almost any champion I have owned which is 15+ different ones.

Mimy8 votes

I did this... ONLY BECAUSE THEY GOT SALTY FIRST...

Gold V player: "You and your stupid no-skill champions!"

me: Least I'm not in gold V feeding a silver V and a Bronze 3

MIND YOU THEY WERE 0/10 ..... AS VAYNE! with rank 5 champion mastery!

LIKE HOW?!

ElSeñorNemo2 votes

dude some bad games happen... it's not "i'm mastery 5 so I carry every games", i'm mastery 5 with diana and I dont carry with her always... just think that, also, he had a bad game... so MAYBE he'll be a little salty... but don't tell him that he feed... HE KNOW IT... just let him rage a little bit and play your game

Mimy5 votes

Ehh.. I don't care.. I get bad games too but I don't get that salty...

I like to poke a little fun at people who get mad over games... lol

I'm such a Teemo

Edit: Also.. mind you.. they could of muted me.. but they didn't I wasn't being too toxic.. but I was poking fun...

Vayne: Keep trash talking..

Me: Garbage. Cans, Cardboard, paper, plastic..

Hayaishi26 votes

What the? why do you even care what he says? don't be a baby, we're supposed to be grown to not be affected about what a random in a normal game says.

LVL 5 PORO6 votes

A random internet person hurts your self esteem that badly? K ...

Worst Kench NA5 votes

This is why when I'm able to do ranked draft, I hope I end up in Bronze V. At least then, no one will expect anything of me.

As far as that idiot goes, just don't say anything about it in game, but give him a verbal abuse report after. That's what I do for people like that.

disregardable1 votes

Can confirm as someone that spent almost a year there, people still rage and have expectations. Trust me, you don't want to wind up there.

Ralanr1 votes

And this is why I don't ever want to play ranked.

I know I'm not great at the game, so I'll probably be pushed down into bronze. I don't need the stress of trying to break out of bronze or do I want the "stigma" of being in bronze rank.

T RexHasTinyArms2 votes

It's not bad if you want to improve at the game. If you don't want to get better and just want to mess around then normals are probably the best place to play. However, I didn't really start improving at the game until I did ranked and hit bronze, and had something to measure my progress by. If you focus on learning just a couple champs so you're comfortable w/ the champ you play, you can pick up the macro game/pressuring objectives pretty easy. 70% of accounts are below gold, so it's not a bad thing to be bronze/silver if you're still having fun and if you take it as an opportunity to grow and measure your improvement rather than something to be frustrated at when you struggle.

I've played since s3 in ranked and I'm still only gold, but I've learned to be calm about it and I've become a much better player. For me, it's more fun to play now because I see all the things I had no idea about where I could play better when I was bronze (hell I was so out of practice from quitting for a while mid/end of season 4 that I started this season in bronze). I see where I can do better and so even if I lose I have stuff to work on, and when I predict something 2 minutes before it comes down the line I feel super proud that I've improved enough to understand game flow and where things are going. Season 3 I got gold, but it was bc my play style was in meta so I was decent. Even then though I didn't understand game flow that well, I just memorized common patterns and could exploit predictable play, I couldn't adjust to how people played different from game to game, and so getting gold was super hard and frustrating. Now it doesn't seem bad, I just did the climb from bronze to gold on a second account and had a 60% win rate even though I played a lot of new stuff or things I wasn't good at and wanted to improve on. Don't be scared of ranked if you want to try it, it's pretty fun imo.

Szunray5 votes

See how you mentioned her rank to show how bad she is? You could have just mentioned what she said, but you decided to bring rank into it, and how she used a champ that you considered OP.

It seems like rank does in fact matter (to you), that you participated in an argument instead of keeping quiet, and this time you got bit in the ass over it.

P.S. I dunno how many times a bronze V player will have an excellent point, but get mocked for being bronze by golds who think they know better. So when a bronze player finds his or herself beating a player that by all means SHOULD be outperforming them I completely understand their hype. It's just a side effect of the elitism among league players.

Jari3 votes

His point was that a person who's stick in Bronze is saying he's shit for a gold. Some Bronzies aren't bad, but a good lot of them tend to be when it comes to things like that. Like said before, god forbid you have a bad game.

Enosetc2 votes

{quoted}

P.S. I dunno how many times a bronze V player will have an excellent point, but get mocked for being bronze by golds who think they know better. So when a bronze player finds his or herself beating a player that by all means SHOULD be outperforming them I completely understand their hype. It's just a side effect of the elitism among league players.

because most of the time someone in bronze v isn't making an excellent point because even a minimal amount of game knowledge can be applied to not be placed at the literal bottom of the totem. why should op keep quiet about toxicity from someone in low bronze over a single bad game when you have to have a multitude of bad games to place in low bronze in the first place?

if someone in bronze beats someone they normally shouldn't be, then okay; that's good for them. if they were able to do it consistently they wouldn't be in bronze. this isn't about rank bashing -- it's a simple fact.

Hatless Casual5 votes

Had a plat player in ARAM tell me I had no right to tell him to buy an item 2047 so he would stop dying to Teemo shrooms since I don't play ranked.

Only Play Darius5 votes

Nice to see that despite the rework, Fiora's playerbase has not changed one bit.

Poop Jelly3 votes

Confidence is key. Just play to have fun, find people who are positive, or actually whose criticisms are helpful instead of listening to trash talks. There's always a mute button for your sake.

Rinky Dinky3 votes

Causing the enemy team to tilt by smack talking is a legit strat tho

The problem is smack talking your own team. That accomplishes nothing for you.

Streeton3 votes

not even toxic

Dogeys3 votes

Lol.... this is just sad wtf grow some balls

Big Bang Bob3 votes

Why does no one realize how invalid this statement is? Has no one learned of the scientific method Heimerdinger? You can't look at one instance of someone laning against one out of the THOUSANDS of players and say that they suck. You need data, controlled experiments, statements from official sources...

I mean what if the first you died to your laner I said "lol u suck! U died! xD"? Man this community. Next you're going to tell you use Wikipedia to get data...

Lucifer3 votes

"You really suck for a bronze player" T______T I am just a cactus, man.

Baby Ghoul3 votes

Were you blaming Fiora for your poor performance though? Fiora isn't OP. If you were complaining in the chat about how OP some champ is, then I don't feel as sorry for you. That in itself is incredibly toxic, and I'm so tired of people saying that when they feed their lane. No, your lane opponent bested you and you made a series of poor decisions. It happens to literally everyone, move on. When I do my normal games with bronze, silver, and gold people this is so common.

Yasuo is just either a feeder or unstoppable in his games. If she bests you early on, then that's it for a Yasuo player for the game. That's why so many people consider him poorly designed, but it's also why you see him in every single game.

The old Fiora was similar to Yasuo.

High53 votes

I could pick a random champ, read a mobfire guide during the loading screen and not feed. Maybe I'm awesome, maybe I turn a 4/6 game.

If someone dies over and over agin, snowballing the other team in any mode, it's incredibly frustrating. Going 0/10 or some equivalent means you've exponentially strengthened the other team through both more gold, quicker power spikes and wider item power spreads with your own team.

I don't like losing in any mode and I like losing even less when it's out of my control because of a feeder.

Feeders deserve negative feedback because they're wasting other people's time through laziness or total lack of caring.

Feeding is incredibly selfish and I have no patience for it. I'll call other people out for it and I expect other people to call me out for it.

Flandrae3 votes

Makes me feel quite the opposite actually. Trashtalking out of jealousy is the only thing most Bronze players are truly good at.

Not bashing those struggling to climb out of that place.

Sooko2 votes

The one perk of being unranked is finally revealed.

ElegantDoge2 votes

No offense to you OP,but you shouldn't feel bad an idiot who doesn't know you AND who you don't know either saying stuff like this.Just get over it,an idiot will stay an idiot no matter what.Play your game and have your fun :p

destiny fan2 votes

you're making waaay to much of a big deal out of this, this has happened to me and it comes from 2 things

  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  2. envy

Disregard anything "that dude" is saying and mute him and vuala! you're enjoying your game, not getting tilted

the only problem is when "that dude" in your team starts pinging non stop, oh god there should be a "Mute ping" button

T RexHasTinyArms2 votes

Resiliency is probably the absolute #1 trait needed to play lol well. So many games someone will be negative, and personally I find it hard not to tilt a lot of the time. If I'm doing well and climbing I can bounce back sometimes and stay in it, and often be able to play mid game team fights well and help the team win by still playing well rather than tilting and making bad plays even after lane is done.

Additionally cheer up m8. Most bronze/low silver (I was out of practice and bronze at the start of the season) players only see the skill of people's mechanics and lane phase. They don't understand that there are ways to win w/out "hard carrying." I played heimer to gold on this account winning through pushing and objective control more than crushing people, and played a bunch of jungle and tank utility champs on a second account to gold because my mechanics are fucking terrible but my game sense is okay and I'm decent at controlling the flow of team fights and letting my carries do their job and carry me. From what it looks like on your ranked stats you main split push and farming champs (nasus and udyr) so you probably have a decent sense of how to pressure the map and force teams to focus more attention on you while your team can 4v3 or 4v2 on the other side and get objectives. Yas plays super different to that and it's probably not a strength of yours to play a super squishy champ that has to do dmg and use mobility/wind wall to survive. You average like 10 deaths a game on yas in ranked so even though you're 8-3 I'm betting he's not a strong champ for you bc if you're like me you forget you're not tanky like usual and can't survive what you think you can. Don't sweat someone who obviously doesn't have macro play down just bc your strength is in controlling game flow and pressure rather than mechanics and carrying. There are probably a ton of silver players who can crush me in lane, but I'd rather win than stomp my opponent and I'm better at pushing a team advantage than my own, so I don't mind weak mechanics if I can play safe and get wins through team play.

Wind Whistler2 votes

I got something a bit worse imo, except on ARAM, which is even more ridiculous because people shouldn't say stuff like this on ARAM. I saw a Renekton, but couldn't trade with him, so I used up my only reroll, but in that time I couldn't switch from Clarity to Snowball, which really hurt my game. Furthermore, their team had Veigar, Volibear, and Amumu, so everytime Veigar trapped me in his E, Volibear would run up to me and flip me into the wall, stunning me, and then Amumu would jump in and ult me most of the time, and by the time all the stuns wore off, I'd be dead. Me and my team did really shitty, and throughout most of the game, the person would constantly say really degrading stuff, such as "omg this renekton", "this renekton is trash", and to top it all off, at the end game screen, he told me that I deserved to get my mastery removed, along with all my skins I had for him. The worst part is I'm a dedicated Renekton main.

HEAljvLykd2 votes

Who cares.

Shonjl2 votes

While it was rude of them, it doesn't mean its wrong. Maybe you do suck as Yasuo, that isn't the end of the world. There is like 120 something champions, you are bound to be bad at an amount of them just like every other player.

Just play him a few times, if you can't get a hold of him, move on to another champion.

Zmuecat2 votes

I don't think people know what's toxic anymore, most of the people will say anything that even irks them the slightest is toxic. If the bronze 4 beat someone that, in all honesty, SHOULD be beating him, then he has the right to gloat a little in my book. If anything, you being so upset with the situation actually says something about you, especially since you decided to bring it here and essentially said 'feel bad for me, I had a bad game and someone told me so.'

And to everyone saying "Just cause I'm a high rank doesn't mean I'm perfect" or "I'm just trying to enjoy myself in normals": Then do so. If someone commenting on a bad play you made with a champion you are learning or when you are trying to have fun is effecting you that much, you need to take a fucking break. If you lose to people who are a lower rank than you in these situations and they get happy about it (who wouldn't? Wouldn't you feel happy beating a Challenger player even if he was having a bad game? I know I would, I'd be stoked), tell them good job, or hell, try to exploit the plays they are going to make (chances are you're ACTUALLY better and have more knowledge of the game to do so).

And fuck, if you can't go through with any of that, when you leave the game you still have a shiny medal saying you are better than him at the end of the day.

TL:DR: Stop being a baby and enjoy the fact that you are a better player than him at the end of the day. The lower ranked player got a sticker saying "Good job, you did good today" but you have a damned medal saying "You are better than him".

LaceUp232 votes

Awe....does something on the internet really really hurt your feelings???

Maybe you shouldn't suck for a gold player :D

TwinkiePro1 votes

I once played a game as fizz versus a Plat Annie. I'm unranked, but I held my own well and we traded kills often, neither being ahead in kills nor cs. I stated at one point "godd***, I'm holding my own against a plat!" at which he replied that I was indeed doing well. Now, Fizz is a counter to Annie, not to mention the easiest champion for me to play, and still had difficulty. What was great about this was that neither of us were toxic, but were instead on very friendly terms, with him congratulating me on any kill I got, or any well played maneuvers. If only all players were as respectable as he.

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