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5.22 puts Mages in a verry bad spot

Telenus··5 votes·1,170 views

1st the removal of mana-Potion: We are in earlygame and u have no mana? well fuk u we wont give u mana Best scenario: being vs an energy or resourceless champ that loughs his ass of while you try to cast a spell. Also mana potions we're pretty balanced if u took them early u did trade mana for health idk why they were removed

2nd lifesteal buffs, so you cant oneshot me? Well ill just heal myself to 100% within 3 seconds on that creepwave. Honestly I understand why alot of people considered the lifesteal on cutglass as too small or wanted lifesteal on Mercurial because in teamfights it seems like your lifesteal is almost none helping but this is suposed to be ofc u shouldnt survive a 5 v 1 as adc because of ur lifesteal and u still don't but because of those buffs and the new masteries poking champs - poking mages because every mage needs to poke unless he can oneshot you become super useless now.

3rd You are a lategame champ that wants to towerfarm or you are low and want to hide under a tower? Great news for you zed or any assasin can now be healed by all dmg they do and get 12% of the dmg u get as a bleed effect which they can easily nullify on a minon they also have the movementspeed of hell so they dont even need to blink to you they can just walk to you even if ure under ur 2nd tower well u wont get a shield anymore...

and on top of this all ure items are more expensive now.....

Edit : Also: MR buffed every fukin thing has crit now even passives making IE godlike gravious wound buffed for AD mr buffed lifesteal buffed AP items cost increased crit buffed damage reduction buffed for AD

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EndlessSorcerer2 votes

1st the removal of mana-Potion

The mana regen on Doran's Ring was buffed significantly (it now scales with your base mana regen). Two Doran's Rings give 100% mana regen (the same as Morellonomicon) for 800G. A lot of mages can just skip a dediciated mana(-sustain) item and build other items after 2/3 Doran's Rings.

2nd lifesteal buffs

Most ADCs could do that anyways. While lifesteal is more prevalent now (and in a couple odd places), it isn't exactly a major change to their healing. I'd be more concerned with the damage reduction on Phantom Dancer and Death's Dance turning a portion of the damage they take into a bleed (to give them time to heal through it).

and on top of this all ure items are more expensive now.....

The prices of items were increased because minions, passive gold generation, and shutdowns providing global gold means that champions gather gold more quickly.

Telenus1 votes

1st on your first back, as a mage you mostly buy a mreg item like charlience I do verry rareley see a double dorans also this requires you to start with dorans I for example allways prefferd to start with boots.

2nd yes they could but before assasins like zed or fighters like yasu didnt do that its also not only about lifesteal but also about the lack of an good spell vamp option. its not like mages are bad its just compared to any other class theyre bad

but the prices of the other items didnt change. SO everybody gets more gold now But only mages pay more...

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

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but the prices of the other items didnt change. SO everybody gets more gold now But only mages pay more...

HELL NO! they changed the prices and values of AD items a lot. It's actually a great annoyance for me at least. Like for example ghostblade now has a hefty price without avarice blade to make up the cost. Trinity force doesnt have its ap and now combining the components cost a damn lot. Ruined king has become...what can I say, a really crap item. LW can't bust squishy champs And of course IE had its AD lowered down.

They payed quite the same as ap champs do really.

Telenus1 votes

yeah i see those things but i still think that the price increase on the core ap items are worse: IE lost 15 ad yeah thats alot but on the other hand every item gives u crit now making up for it with the 50% more crit by far ghost blade is extremly powerfull with the mms increase gives u armor pen and ad and cdr making up for the 3200 cost also the buildpath is verry smooth Trinity got his stats swapped Ruined King is still a powerfull item for his active imo LW isnt meant tu burs squishies!!!

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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yeah i see those things but i still think that the price increase on the core ap items are worse: IE lost 15 ad yeah thats alot but on the other hand every item gives u crit now making up for it with the 50% more crit by far ghost blade is extremly powerfull with the mms increase gives u armor pen and ad and cdr making up for the 3200 cost also the buildpath is verry smooth Trinity got his stats swapped Ruined King is still a powerfull item for his active imo LW isnt meant tu burs squishies!!!

Ok, I think you got a lot of things messed up. As rito said in the patch notes, ghostblade's only identity in the old patch was is dirt cheap price with avarice. They changed it of course but it is still not cost-efficient, and assassins will buy it for the expence of the hefty price. Which is pretty bad because they need cost-efficient items like last whisper in the patch before this. Trinity forces changes made a LOT of people pissed off, Korki, kog, jax, irelia players were dumb-struck when they saw they lost a huge amount of hybrid damage from their kit. It's something that was their identity. Ruined king is not bought for its active, but its passive. Its severly nerfed so vayne players won't abuse it early. And for my favorite item-last whisper which got severly nerfed.

I seriously don't know why are you saying it's not meant to bust squishy champs because before this patch it was meant to do that since it knocks off 30% armor "in total". Like say you are a mage without any sort of armor and the enemy is a typical assassin. You will notice that his other items in his build is like tiamat or ghostblade or ruined king which is nothing compared to adc items such as IE or trinity, which means it gets affected by the slightest of armor. But as you know, the assasin with LW busts you, because your paper armor is getting torn again in half ya see. this is why last whisper in last patch was GOD. and was considered one of the OP items in the game and if you even bought the slightest of armor, lets say a seekers-it gains a mind boggling effciency of a blood thirster.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Who needs Trinity Force on Jax anyways.

Fervor of Battle + item 3931 + item 3124 + item 3146 is terrifying.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Who needs Trinity Force on Jax anyways.

Fervor of Battle + item 3931 + item 3124 + item 3146 is terrifying.

The problem with devourer is that the component items now costs higher with the new talisman and machete that you get delayed buying it which is damn crucial. Also you need to cover the rift herald-give it to your carry-ward the dragon go in enemy jungle to ward....which basically means its real damn hard to get that 16 min sated which is the requirement of a "successful" jungler. But yeah, those other two items are real fun on him.

Telenus1 votes

I actually think that isnt too bad you'll have to admit that devour is sated pretty fast so increasing the item costs and therefor let late champs have their spikes in well lategame doesnt sounds too bad for me

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

I think we are on odds. I think they are in a great place now as I wrote in my thread. Like you won't see a five-squishy comp these days in ranked. You can bust them all as a mage. Also if im not mistaken, the game speed has shifted greatly and because mages exceed in midgame its damn paradise for us.

Telenus1 votes

I answerd u in your own thread about that1 Äm i dont think so and well if there are 5 squishies you'll have to face alot of damage being squishie urself and we also get faster to lategame where everybody has those lifesteal

Gigahappytown1 votes

DEAL WITH IT mages have been relevant for 5 seasons straight other classes have been shit for almost forever

Telenus1 votes

I think ure wrong every team needs and ADC its possible to have no mage tho and we had assasin/hypercarry and tank and juggernaut metas but no mage metas...

Gigahappytown1 votes

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I think ure wrong every team needs and ADC its possible to have no mage tho and we had assasin/hypercarry and tank and juggernaut metas but no mage metas...

quit with the fuckign victim complex

mages have been relevant in every meta

literally mid season 5 the top 3 champs were all mages. they have always had the best itemzation in the game

and now thats finally being looked at everyone fucking bitching about it.

Telenus1 votes

I checked your lolskill and saw that u play close to 0 mages so im sorry but ure post seems pretty egoistic

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