Riot makes an Article how great Dynamic que is...

Telenus·Apr 12, 2016·96 votes·4,817 views

....gets over 400 downvotes (edit 600 now) Riot still be like Dynamic q is a great thing.... Kappa

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/6WuZKauE-new-champ-select-update

58 Comments

ZorasamaApr 12, 201624 votes

Riot : B...b...BUT MAH STATISTIC!!!

TelenusApr 12, 20162 votes

Huh? I didnt get it xD

I was LupxelApr 12, 20165 votes

He is refering to the fact that Riot shows statistics like "99% players are happy with DQ"; Only 1% solo players goes against 5-manpremade" Also I wrote this before reading the link

t0ad5Apr 12, 20162 votes

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He is refering to the fact that Riot shows statistics like "99% players are happy with DQ"; Only 1% solo players goes against 5-manpremade" Also I wrote this before reading the link

1% of how many games? Still a significant number of games.

WoonStruckApr 13, 20161 votes

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SladeXDApr 13, 20162 votes

You realize he did say it's still a significant amount, not insignificant. Your wording makes it seem like you read it wrong entirely.

WoonStruckApr 13, 20162 votes

Tbh I was skimming a lot. Just sick of the "it doesn't represent the entire community" argument; not because that cannot be true, but because the logic behind it is not sound.

Wanted to stick something somewhere about it.

Thanks for pointing that out lol

SladeXDApr 13, 20161 votes

Yeah, no problem. Just didn't want it to be mistaken for the wrong thing.

FovereApr 13, 20161 votes

Even if true, which it probably isn't, its also a useless statistic.

what about 4 man premades?

3 man?

Solo queue put even on a fairly even keel, dynamic queue basically takes all the crap from normals and puts them into ranked

BârdApr 13, 20162 votes

Something happening 1% of the time does not, by any means mean that it won't happen a lot.

#1% Crit rune

AsydeApr 12, 201617 votes

400 downvotes doesn't outweigh the rest of the 27 million players who didn't downvote/upvote. RIOT can't assume the rest of the community feels the same. The picture is much bigger than these boards and reddit. They have to look at the metrics and values they feel are important for game health, and right now those are telling them the system is healthier than it's predecessor even though many people on the boards don't feel the same.

Does that make your opinion any less important? Of course not. Every opinion matters and it's good you care enough to voice your concern (RIOT appreciates it). Just be realistic about your expectations from RIOT, this is a massive game with a massive community. Such monumental changes aren't decisions made quickly or without careful thought and planning. They may very well choose to change the system again in the future, but right now they are giving Dynamic Que it's chance, particularly while their data is suggesting it's healthier (again, despite what the board community thinks).

rescuedApr 12, 20163 votes

Not all 27 million players go on the forums, plus this is NA and doesn't count the other server forums.

t0ad5Apr 12, 20163 votes

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400 downvotes doesn't outweigh the rest of the 27 million players who didn't downvote/upvote. RIOT can't assume the rest of the community feels the same. The picture is much bigger than these boards and reddit. They have to look at the metrics and values they feel are important for game health, and right now those are telling them the system is healthier than it's predecessor even though many people on the boards don't feel the same.

Does that make your opinion any less important? Of course not. Every opinion matters and it's good you care enough to voice your concern (RIOT appreciates it). Just be realistic about your expectations from RIOT, this is a massive game with a massive community. Such monumental changes aren't decisions made quickly or without careful thought and planning. They may very well choose to change the system again in the future, but right now they are giving Dynamic Que it's chance, particularly while their data is suggesting it's healthier (again, despite what the board community thinks).

I highly doubt there are 27 million users in this one region. Further, how many of those are duplicate people.

AsydeApr 12, 20163 votes

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I highly doubt there are 27 million users in this one region. Further, how many of those are duplicate people.

There aren't in this region. I simply googled how many league players world wide. Since the OPs post was suggesting that the 400 downvotes should be enough to convince RIOT to bring back solo que; as if that represents the majority of the community disliking Dynamic Que.

XSparkLightingApr 12, 20165 votes

It is the majority. 400 down votes does not mean 400 people disagree. It means that 400 more people disagrre than those who agree and upvoted, making it the majority.

AsydeApr 13, 20164 votes

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It is the majority. 400 down votes does not mean 400 people disagree. It means that 400 more people disagrre than those who agree and upvoted, making it the majority.

The majority of active members of the boards sure. Not the majority of the entire playerbase (who aren't on the boards)

It's like reviews on amazon, there may be 400 bad reviews for a particular product, but that doesn't reflect the 27 million people who bought it and love it. Typically those who are angry with something are far more vocal and likely to post threads than those who are satisfied.

It is very possible that the majority of the community DOES agree that Dynamic Que sucks, but that cannot be concluded by the amount of negativity or downvotes on the boards. As I said, RIOT needs to look at data from all sources (including the boards) and determine if the que is successful or not. Right now It seems RIOT believes it is, but that may likely change.

WoonStruckApr 13, 20162 votes

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The majority of active members of the boards sure. Not the majority of the entire playerbase (who aren't on the boards)

It's like reviews on amazon, there may be 400 bad reviews for a particular product, but that doesn't reflect the 27 million people who bought it and love it. Typically those who are angry with something are far more vocal and likely to post threads than those who are satisfied.

It is very possible that the majority of the community DOES agree that Dynamic Que sucks, but that cannot be concluded by the amount of negativity or downvotes on the boards. As I said, RIOT needs to look at data from all sources (including the boards) and determine if the que is successful or not. Right now It seems RIOT believes it is, but that may likely change.

What you're saying is that polls in general do not give any indication. You're saying that if 100% of any possible data is not measured, it cannot be an indicator. That's flawed thinking right there.

Riot did polls saying people 'preferred' Dynamic Queue. Since they don't represent every single player, it means they should get rid of Dynamic Queue, since the 'majority' don't necessarily like the change, right? According to you, we should have Solo Queue anyway, I guess. :)

DeynaTaggerungApr 13, 20161 votes

~200 upvoted and ~700 downvoted (yes the number is actually 500 not 400 as OP suggested)

FEK is an extension for the boards that lets me see up/down vote counts(among other things), check it by going to General Discussion and following the stickied post

Zeal SeekerApr 12, 20165 votes

400 down votes in a lot for the boards community. Reddit and the boards community represent a small section of the league community, but it is still accurate. This is because people on boards and Reddit are diverse and nonbiased. It is a survey and sample of the whole league's population's opinion. The reason they are keeping it is not because it is healthy, they are keeping it because they want to make more money. Things do change based on opinions on boards and Reddit. Why? Because it does accurately reflect opinions of the community as a whole.

Ghostbear14Apr 13, 20161 votes

So just a question if the majority of people don't like the change and everyone hates it, how are they going to make more money from it. I keep seeing this all the time saying that riot only made this change because they are money hunger. But if everyone hates it like you say how are they going to make money?

Zeal SeekerApr 13, 20161 votes

People who plays with friends tends to buy more stuff. So riot is favoring premades eventhough the community thinks that it is unhealthy.

Ghostbear14Apr 13, 20161 votes

But if the majority of players are solos that hate these changes then there are not that many people playing with friends and they won't make any money.

Mr FidoriApr 14, 20161 votes

How are the boards an accurate sample? How are the people not biased? Most of the people on the boards are here because they want to complain. Most of those who are content never get on here (I'm only on here because I'm bored and I think most of the threads are funny). So it's not at all surprising that a thread that was placed somewhere that people use to complain got a lot of downvotes.

Mr ZablinxApr 13, 20161 votes

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400 downvotes doesn't outweigh the rest of the 27 million players who didn't downvote/upvote. RIOT can't assume the rest of the community feels the same. The picture is much bigger than these boards and reddit. They have to look at the metrics and values they feel are important for game health, and right now those are telling them the system is healthier than it's predecessor even though many people on the boards don't feel the same.

Riot can't assume the rest of the community feels the same, but its pretty obvious there is a huge part of the community who wants it. I mean, how many posts on the boards and reddit about it have there been? Reddit had to move the topic into their archives because that was how many posts about it was happening. Even pros have voiced their issues with it.

612X0dbmDSApr 13, 20161 votes

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Riot can't assume the rest of the community feels the same, but its pretty obvious there is a huge part of the community who wants it. I mean, how many posts on the boards and reddit about it have there been? Reddit had to move the topic into their archives because that was how many posts about it was happening. Even pros have voiced their issues with it.

Riot doesn't have to assume a thing.

They don't have the balls to put up a real poll. And I don't mean on the forums because that would just be no contest.

I'm talking about a poll in the fucking client where you have to vote before entering ranked mode. A poll where the result is instantly shown in the client.

That kind of poll that requires balls the size of the ego of Riot Lyte.

Mr FidoriApr 14, 20161 votes

But that's just it -- a post on the boards having 400 downvotes means nothing because the sample size (people on the boards) is largely people who want to complain.

Similar example: putting an approval rating poll for a Democratic president on a Republican website. Of course the approval rating will be low, because the sample was biased.

If they put a poll on the client, then the results would not be nearly as skewed.

franticFurballApr 13, 20161 votes

RIOT can't assume the rest of the community feels the same.

Yes, they can. Its called statistics. You don't need to ask everyone to get the general opinion. That's why things like vote-polls work.

Steven McburnApr 12, 201616 votes

LMFAO at the title of that post followed by the content.

Riot still trying to confuse people into believing that the dynamic queue and current champion select are the same thing.

SecretlolzApr 13, 20169 votes

They have a long history of really really bad decision making followed by being too stubborn to swallow their shit and fix it. But this time it went too far. this game is horseshit

Urgonnalearn2dayApr 12, 20169 votes

Lyte: "mah biased poll!"

DroogzyApr 12, 20167 votes

"Hey guys, we know there are a lot of players who are really passionate about solo queue. We're not trying to be dishonest or dodge this topic. Radio silence on this the past couple months has been painful, we know. We hoped to come out with a direct answer to this, but working through the problems players are facing on live now (consistency around position select, queue times and matchmaking for high MMR) is taking longer than we initially expected. We did a bad job at managing expectations around this and deserve the heat we're getting around that.

That being said, solo queue does not directly address either of these problems and could suffer from the exact same problems. We'll be honest: there's definitely a world in which solo queue doesn't return, but we'd rather keep it on the table as we work through these issues before making a final decision."

Lol so much for not trying to dodge this topic, posted three weeks ago and yet zero effort to maintain any communication about it. I don't mind the lack of solo queue in so much as I mind the blatant obvious ignoring of the topic by Riot.

Which is inevitably seems like is going to lead to Riot saying no solo queue, what do they think is going to happen when they say that? Of course there's going to be a massive backlash and sorry to say, they only have themselves to blame for it. Short of any comments telling Riot employees to kill themselves or any other bodily harm, or other comments along that line, I will have no sympathy at all.

love godApr 12, 20165 votes

Ah, 400 downvotes. That is what, .000001% of all league players?

KyroRayneApr 12, 20166 votes

.0014% guessing from 27 million monthly players.

Edit:

Whoops. I did make a mistake. It's 67 million per month. 27 million daily.

That's still only .00008%.

And downvote me for using math. Congrats

Grunt666Apr 13, 20162 votes

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.0014% guessing from 27 million monthly players.

Edit:

Whoops. I did make a mistake. It's 67 million per month. 27 million daily.

That's still only .00008%.

And downvote me for using math. Congrats

I guess all you need to do now is show us the data that informed you the demographics of the boards is somehow not representative of the entire player base.....oh i have love the morons at riot and their manipulations of stats. Herr Durrr most people that play our game that use the forums dislike xxx but i will wave my magic wand and say "they do not represent the playerbase who doesn't use the forums because i have a magic wand!"

That weird moment riot tries to sell you that xxxx shows players want xxxxx without actually asking the entire player base because well that is representative of the playerbase while outside the other side of theer mouth when it suits them a sample is no longer representative of the entire playerbase lol. You know like how when they make a balance chance that makes zero sense because the challenger players can abuse it yet those player represent .0000000008% of the playerbase. Dat logic do.

Again I am still waiting for one logical response to explain to me why ranked can't be solo q and then if you want to play with friends you select any one of the number non ranked gameplay modes, thus providing options and variety of choice for the playerbase....

XonraApr 12, 201613 votes

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Ah, 400 downvotes. That is what, .000001% of all league players?

I love how this is the go to attempt at a response now when you people don't have a real argument (because there frankly isn't one).

Keep regurgitating the Riot bs for them, though.

I'm sure if you keep repeating this they will totally be your friend.

PDE5 InhibApr 12, 20165 votes

I don't think they actually believe it is liked. I think they just don'e care lol.

KeevalroyApr 12, 20164 votes

Here's another article about Dynamic.

http://esportsexpress.com/2016/04/riot-buries-solo-queue-in-bottom-of-ocean/

Wandering F BApr 12, 20163 votes

riot has lost their fking mind...dude i could see that since they released that fking haxtech shit*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

ThePrinceBlueApr 13, 20163 votes

so far because i dont have a group like every enemy team i face i lose because they are always on sync with each other unlike my group. [zombie-brand-clap] dynamic que is the worse update ever made to league

Forn ala cremeApr 13, 20163 votes

That is probably because the majority of this minority still haven't let SolOQ go.

SaiannaApr 12, 20162 votes

Wow.. it was so downvoted that it didn't even show on my boards xD

Guy Fox TeemoApr 13, 20162 votes

Not enough to be considered even a good portion of the player base, unless all of the boards and its 600,000 users would it even be considered, since theres still 66.4 Million other players who did not take part.

46104328_DELApr 13, 20162 votes

What, you think Riot gives a shit about what we think? http://img.pandawhale.com/post-25049-laughing-out-loud-lol-gif-Now-xlnU.gif

612X0dbmDSApr 13, 20161 votes

Yeah but Riot got secret statistics that shows that everyone playing the game enjoy dynamic queue else they wouldn't be playing it. LOL.

How about people don't have a choice to play ranked but the dynamic queue crap.

mogonkApr 13, 20161 votes

First rule of PR: if you're going to lie, lie boldly. Don't half-ass it. Say something you know is 100% false as if it were 100% true, and then stick to that no matter what.