Boards›Gameplay

End-Game Rating system is trash.

Colgate Minuette··4 votes·3,863 views

Seriously. For my latest (and second best) example: I just got out of game as the ole reliable Braum

My score: 0/3/25

Doesn't get much better than that for a support. That's 64%~ish kill participation. With only 3 deaths! Now maybe you're thinking "You must have gotten an S! Or at least an S-!"

And you'd be WRONG because I got an A (Now sure, this isn't a bad rating. But it's far less then what the score indicates I should get!

Now maybe you're thinking "Maybe you died more times than the rest of your team?"

Nope: Here is my teams death counts 4/8/1 16/6/6 13/6/4 6/4/18

Uhm? Excuse me? I have the least deaths on the team the most assists by far and you're giving me an A? That's it? How about a more extreme example!

A few games ago (Like 20+ games ago) I was playing Kog'Maw. I went 11/0/5 PERFECT SCORE IT DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN 0 DEATHS 11 KILLS AND 5 ASSISTS.

What did I get? A freaking B are you kidding me? A B????

This system has been broken for a long time always giving the best scores horrible grades and only giving good grades once in a blue moon even if your score is fantastic. It almost seems random to me at this point.

Then it occured to me... Well what if it rips your score down if you don't ward a lot? That might be it! They give so much credit to warding lately maybe it is!

(hahaha no)

Because In the 0/3/25 game I placed 16 wards total for the entire game. (granted I usually place more but oh well) That's still 2 higher than anyone else in the game and the Kayle on my team that got a S only placed 10.

So what is this obscure seemingly random and inaccurate rating system? Can someone explain this to me?

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

For some reason the site won't let me hit the "post discussion" button if I "add a poll" so if you want to vote on a poll you're gonna have to go here:

https://pollev.com/wiredfish238?_ga=1.263682892.1578018886.1459394513

21 Comments

Communist Toast1 votes

64% kill participation isn't that great. also what was your CS? time length? did you help get towers/dragons/barons?

Also the rating system has nothing to do with your team members. so just because you did the best out of your team doesn't mean anything. the rating system rates you against other people that play the same champ/same role, in your case it rated you against other Braum Supports.

Here is a photo from a game I just recently finished. as you see I igot an S on teemo top and TF got an S on TF mid. I would say it's due to our kills/assists as well as our CS [img]http://i.imgur.com/QzBBprQ.png[/img]

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted} Also the rating system has nothing to do with your team members. so just because you did the best out of your team doesn't mean anything. the rating system rates you against other people that play the same champ/same role, in your case it rated you against other Braum Supports.

Okay so you're telling me I need to go 0/0/25 or even 0/0/50 to get anytthing higher than an S? I got an S on Sona earlier only doing 2/2/11 I was like 49% kill participation that game that score is way worse and I'm getting an S for that?

Also on the note of the "did you help get towers/dragons/barons" I don't quite remember for this last braum game (I tihnk I helped with one dragon and helped take 4 towers? Not sure? Could be wrong)

But I do know that in the Kogmaw game I took dragon on my own once helped take it with others twice and helped take baron +2 inhibs +2 nexus towers so yea. I helped.

Communist Toast1 votes

that's a different champ, so you will be ranked different. Braum is one of the Most played supports at the moment, getting high ranks on him will be down right hard. and you would probably need some actual kills on him to rank high (not just assists), as well as a ok-ish amount of CS (changing depending on length)

also time is a factor I am fairly sure.

Edit: here is an S from a soraka in a game of mine [img]http://i.imgur.com/KFKsok1.png[/img]

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted}

that's a different champ, so you will be ranked different. Braum is one of the Most played supports at the moment, getting high ranks on him will be down right hard. and you would probably need some actual kills on him to rank high (not just assists), as well as a ok-ish amount of CS (changing depending on length)

I'm sorry I didn't realize supports were supposed to take kills? I thought I was supposed to GIVE kills I've been playing support wrong all my life!!! I'm going to go in game as Sona now and get a penta fuk my ADC.

Also the length of the Braum game was 27 minutes long. I only had 6CS because again, I didn't realize supports were supposed to take CS. I thought that was the ADC's job.

Communist Toast2 votes

in the beginning of a game you should give your ADC kills of course, but are you saying that in a 5v5 team fight you Wouldn't kill someone just because you think you shouldn't? Now that would be playing a support wrong indeed.

same thing goes for CS. in the beginning, sure don't take CS or anything. but in the late game it doesn't matter, after a team fight and you are trying to get a tower before they get back up, you should still help kill minions than so you can get to the tower right? Also that one item that lets you kill minions and you and your ADC get gold is probably a factor as well

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted}

in the beginning of a game you should give your ADC kills of course, but are you saying that in a 5v5 team fight you Wouldn't kill someone just because you think you shouldn't? Now that would be playing a support wrong indeed.

same thing goes for CS. in the beginning, sure don't take CS or anything. but in the late game it doesn't matter, after a team fight and you are trying to get a tower before they get back up, you should still help kill minions than so you can get to the tower right? Also that one item that lets you kill minions and you and your ADC get gold is probably a factor as well

  1. I won't take kills in a 5v5 team fight unless it's necessary to keep my team mates alive. I will only ever take kills if my ADC either: a) Cannot take the kill himself for some reason or b) The champion I kill was a direct life threat to my team mates and would have died had I not taken the kill.

I take CS on Supports with actual clearing ability. Braum has horrible wave clear. And second to that, I only take CS when either: a) No team mates are around to take it themsleves b) Everyone is already full build (or the person near me is) c) When I'm really close to an item or lastly d) Whal my ADC is trying to back and I plan to stay.

Lastly, if you haven't noticed Braum isn't actually a killing machine.

Communist Toast2 votes

use the relic for CS, help push stuff. and if you won't take kills sometimes you only hurt your own ranking.

I wouldn't know Braum since I don't play support, I do know he is one of the most played, so the ranking system for him will be Vast.

an Easy way to get an S rank is to do something completely out of the box.

For example sometimes I play Amumu mid (build AP) I almost always get an S-, S, or S+ when doing this since the number of Amumu mids are quite low and I still manage a nice number of CS, kills/assists (amumu has great wave clear, esp with AP build)

if you went Braum Top and you did something like 7/3/10 with 200 CS I bet you would get an S or S+, cause Braum top is unheard of really

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted}

use the relic for CS, help push stuff. and if you won't take kills sometimes you only hurt your own ranking.

I've never had a problem with not taking kills before. I play a lot of Leona and I never take kills with her but I almost always get an S or at least an A. (With moderate scores, considering 0/3/25)

As for "if you went Braum Top" I kind of notice that as well. As I often steal Xerath, Vel'Koz and Anivia for support and the ranks change significantly.

Communist Toast1 votes

you have to stop comparing it with other champs, they are in a different ranking system. a braum support that is 0/3/25 with 6 CS will have a different rank than a leona that is 0/3/25 with 6 CS

and well that's one way to look at it, those are all kinda of common supports, but not as common as Braum. but yea, and easy way to get S ranks is to play something in a role that they almost never play, and do completely average on it. Atleast that's what I have found

Junsui Aoi1 votes

You should still have more than 6 cs. Around that time most braums would have about 40 since you have relic procs (I'm assuming). And since other braums have more, that 6 cs will count against you.

Someone once told me upgraded trinkets and boots and ruby sightstone/that other upgrade i never use (-cause its trash-) help contribute to an S rank.

As someone else said: you're being compared to ALL the braum players out there. Not Sorakas or Sonas, Leonas or Nautis. Just Braum players. And apparently they've set that bar stupid high.

Colgate Minuette1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Junsui Aoi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pnc5sgJ5,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-31T03:56:54.315+0000)

As someone else said: you're being compared to ALL the braum players out there. Not Sorakas or Sonas, Leonas or Nautis. Just Braum players. And apparently they've set that bar stupid high.

I can kinda understand that -now- I thought the rating was just based on that one game not against all braum players. But even when I mained this guy like well over a year ago I used to walk out of games like 0/5/40 so he's the assist king. But still 25 assists isn't nothing.

Secondary to that, you can't really "upgrade" the default ward trinket. I hate the blue one I want to use the yellow one but there is no upgraded yellow. Occasionally I swap to sweeper which can be upgraded but that's rare for me.

Junsui Aoi1 votes

It was last season that someone mentioned the upgrade thing. It may be different now. Honestly, it would be stupid if it weren't.

Veruka1 votes

Here's some of how the grading system works - and what YOU can do to improve yours.

1st thing you need to realize is that you are being compared to every single person that has played that specific champion in that specific role. In order to get an S, you will need to do BETTER than the majority of other players that are playing Braum support.

2nd, your grade is not just a reflection on your KDA. You need to participate in objectives as well. For every turret you help destroy, for every drake you help kill, for every Baron you help kill, all are figured in for your end game score.

3rd, VISION and DENYING the enemy team vision is also factored in. You need to ward as much as possible, and since you support, you need to destroy as many wards as you can. Supplying and denying vision counts towards your end game score.

4th, CS. Supports don't really get very high numbers here, but they do count towards your grade. This is not saying take farm from your ADC, just keep an eye out for waves that are auto-pushing and go clear them if your ADC is busy elsewhere.

Also, it is actually (from what I've seen) very hard to get an S on an ADC.. Someone, somewhere is getting super fed and they're completely destroying games with these champions. I'm talking like a 20/1/20 KDA with over 400cs 5 drakes 2 Barons and 8 towers FED ADC in like 30 minutes. Those players might get an S. They, unfortunately, raise the bar incredibly high for other ADCs.

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted}

Also, it is actually (from what I've seen) very hard to get an S on an ADC.. Someone, somewhere is getting super fed and they're completely destroying games with these champions. I'm talking like a 20/1/20 KDA with over 400cs 5 drakes 2 Barons and 8 towers FED ADC in like 30 minutes. Those players might get an S. They, unfortunately, raise the bar incredibly high for other ADCs.

A few games before the 11/0/5 game I got this score:

16/7/7 I got an S-

In the 11/0/5 game I participated in EVERY. Single objective taken (EVERY ONE) I had 193 CS (Highest in the game) I placed (only) 8 wards but the highest on my team was 12 second highest was 10. And again, I participated in all 8 towers taken I mean come on.

Veruka1 votes

You may have been better than your team members and the enemy team, but you must remember that you are being compared to every single player that is playing that specific champion in that role. If you're really hunting an S, playing something off-meta might do the trick. :) Just don't do it in ranked.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

KDA ain't the best stat kid

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted}

KDA ain't the best stat kid

Tho your point still stands. That's not a proper way of conveying it.

YOJOHO1231 votes

Right because getting at least 300 gold per kill isn't gold in the pocket for items. Naw you need to farm 3 waves perfectly. Sure I get that but the enemy death timer is worth more than everything, thus kills means death for your enemy and death means no CS and XP. Actually the most important statistic. But whatever you say Riot, lmfao

Gettre1 votes

Wanna tell you something? The reason you are not getting an S is that you are not filling your role in the game as a support it's ok to die it's not ok for your carry to die right? I've recently started playing braum top ... the last game i played was an S- and thats only because i didn't go to 2 dragons :) I fulfilled my role as a toplaner to push towers with 5 towers down just on me and being a tank or a second tank with dmg :) Think about your role not what your cs must be and shit ... Yea i know it's an equation but still thats the most important thing right?

piX BluX1 votes

Meanwhile, my friend had 24/1/7 and got A-

Colgate Minuette1 votes

Dude this post is a year old.

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by Colgate Minuette

Higher IP gain by filling "Needed" slots in "Team Builder"
Maps & Modes12 comments
17
votes
"Queues disabled" - it erased my last win
Report a Bug9 comments
10
votes
Soraka doesn't feel right anymore
Gameplay60 comments
7
votes
ANOTHER Teemo skin
Story, Art, & Sound11 comments
7
votes
A way to fix Kalista's ult (Player control issues)
Gameplay6 comments
6
votes
This is borderline griefing Rito
Gameplay8 comments
6
votes