either take ad items proc off attacking objectives, or make ap items and skills hit objectives.

Plasma Servant··2 votes·881 views

It is a lie saying that ap scales when taking objectives ... I've heard it stated, but just isn't so.

Basic attacks are the only thing that counts. And AP doesn't help. Stop it riot. take the ad items off basic attacks (completely if you ask me, the ratios are much higher for ad than ap, so the fact that there are 100ap doesn't really matter when you have 70AD and the item has crit, armor pen, and or lethality. It makes their basic attacks like a spell cast in terms of damage, and they have it x times per second (plus whatever their spells are). Just stop riot. All you that are going to complain ... stop and think about it first. Riot's meta is broken, and has been since season 4. They need to step back and break the game back to what it was when it was fun for someone other than a two year old. They need to stop catering to pre-built teams (i.e. pros and people without a real life).

19 Comments

Eedat7 votes

Yeah because letting mages and AD casters poke towers down from outside their range sounds like a fantastic idea. It wouldn't be broken at all

SzGamer2272 votes

Some ADCs can actually poke towers from outside their range by using Rapid Firecannon; it's just slow as hell and doesn't amount to very much when you apply the damage resistance for not having minions on the tower.

Ralanr1 votes

I keep forgetting the damage resistance is a thing. Has killed me more times than I wish to admit.

Ralanr3 votes

Not every AD builds crit and you can't crit towers outside of maybe two exceptions.

CancerBasedGod2 votes

Ap is "useless" for towers, yet Anivia breaks towers faster than most tanks.

Ralanr1 votes

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Ap is "useless" for towers, yet Anivia breaks towers faster than most tanks.

I don't understand how that's an accomplishment.

SzGamer2273 votes

Ziggs takes towers just as fast as most ADCs.

Ralanr3 votes

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Ziggs takes towers just as fast faster as than most ADCs.

FIFY.

SzGamer2271 votes

Ziggs can definitely BURST a tower faster than an ADC, but when his passive is on cooldown and the turret isn't within execution range, he's just as slow as any other mage. Ziggs can 50-0 a turret in the blink of an eye, but I'm not sure he can 100-0 as fast as a full-build ADC because of his passive's downtime.

Plasma Servant1 votes

ziggs specifically has as part of his kit damage to towers. Doesn't count.

LongHair Fox2 votes

Ap does work on objectives.... and while we are on the list of things you did not get... crit does not work on abjectives.

Also remember that pen works and there is more pen for magic damage than ad.

SzGamer2271 votes

More pen for magic damage than physical damage?

item 3035 item 3071 item 3142 item 3814 item 3147

item 3135 item 3151

...am I missing something?

Narsicus2 votes

Last Whisper only effects bonus armor, which I am not sure turrets even have. Black Cleaver only effects heroes, which turrets are not. And Lethality scales with enemy champion level, which turrets also seem unlikely to have.

I looked around online to see if there was any info on how lethality works with turrets, if it just goes off the base value/doesn't work at all/scales as turrets get stronger but there doesn't seem to be any info on it that I could find.

On the magic side...

Void staff effects all MR, and there are 2 sources of flat 15 MPen (Guise and Sorc's boots) both of which should work just fine against towers.

SzGamer2271 votes

That makes sense then. Thanks for clearing that up!

Plasma Servant1 votes

basic attacks become spell casts for ad ... against champions as well as towers.

Narsicus2 votes

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

The point of my post is that most, if not every, form of armor pen specifies champions and things only champions generally have (like bonus armor) while magic pen is less specific and seems to work on everything.

Because of this it seems likely that armor pen items are significantly less effective against towers than magic pen items, although I could not find any specifics on how lethality interacts with towers so it could have some form of scaling that is equivalent to champion levels for the purposes of the scaling lethality.

SzGamer2272 votes

The AP-scaling on-hit magic damage you deal against towers is plenty for mages. ADCs are the ones who are supposed to shred towers; the bonus magic damage just means that mages aren't helpless when they're taking objectives on their own.

Plasma Servant1 votes

all champions should have the same turret take down capability. There is absolutely no reason not to have every champ balanced against every other champ so that 1v1 there can be no prediction of which will win.

your dill king2 votes

That has got to be one of the best ideas yet. AD champs need to be leveled against AP champs, and every champ level against every other champ. AD champs should not have essentially 2.5 spells per second (basic attacks that grant the entire damage of their items). It is stupid that if that is the case that AP champs not only one attack every few seconds that make use of their items (annie being one of the lowest cd's) but their basic attacks don't proc their items like ad champs.

Seems stupid that people want to unbalance individual champions when if they were all individually balanced there would be no need to do balance because some champion in some mix is op.

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