Hey Riot...Why are you killing Karma....?

Ramza Paradise··7 votes·603 views

Hey.

I've played Karma since before her early days pre-rework, and post. Loved the shields and the saving potential of her old passive. (more ap at lower health)

Her rework was tricky. At first she was undertuned, but after a few patches she was in a good spot.

She was a good support, but I could also take her top lane in some matches, and also mid.

With the proposed changes you are killing two aspects of Karma:

  1. Removing heal on her W
  • In my eyes use of this was the difference between a good and bad Karma. Without this, it kills all of her solo capabilities. No longer can you bait in that melee champion, pop your abilities, R - W, heal up just enough to win the trade and the battle. It's fun, requires some skill, and you can totally take people off guard with it.

  • The new damage amplification is nice, and I haven't personally tested it yet. The main issue with this is it trades her main defensive ability (outside of shield, obviously) for extra damage, when I feel her damage is in a good spot. it forces her into support only and hurts a lot of her solo ability, which might be the goal...

  1. Removing damage on R - E
  • This is the last remaining aspect of old Karma's kit that remains, it's iconic to me. It's another situation where it gives you options to do extra damage while also assisting your team. Tank has 2-3 enemies on him? Give him an R - E to do some AoE damage and shield up your team, great utility.

  • The new change just gives you a bigger shield at the cost of damage. It feels like they're doing this to offset the defensive loss of W - R, but it doesn't feel good at all. You're removing one of Karma's identifying abilities, and replacing it with just "bigger shield."

Please reconsider these changes....Karma

9 Comments

Voluug133 votes

Hmmm?

They already did, they Killed and Reemplaced her with Scarma. Karma has been dead for years.

But as I mentioned in another topic, The Erasure&Reemplacement already killed Shieldbombing. Its useless and impractical in its current state and only makes Scarma have a fail ''have much, do nothing'' E and R-E. Its iconic of a champion that stopped existing years ago, not of Scarma. The current R-E is nothing but a bit to keep Karma players happy, but ends up as a slap to face because its functionality is so different to Karma's Soul Shield.

On the other hand, the W changeis a bag of mixed goods. It will be better in some situations (support, ganks, teamfights) but worse in others (solo laning, dueling).

Hupsis2 votes

R+W - now increases root amount by 0.75/1/1.25/1.5 seconds based on mantra rank. Also heals 20% missing health when cast and when the root is applied. Doesn't deal extra damage.

That's the newest changes to the mantra W coming to PBE.

Shield damage was so low that it wasn't even worth using over mantra Q. The shield bombing kinda died when she got her rework.

OhthePiplup1 votes

and R+W doesnt do dmg anymore..

Hupsis1 votes

It deals the same damage as W would do. But no extra damage.

Ramza Paradise1 votes

bump..

Avious1 votes

The second set of changes are even worse and unnecessary... They just make her a weak support only with no solo lane potential while making her simpler to play and taking away alot of utility and versatility. It's a disaster... Just horrible...

Kaipop1 votes

My main midlane Karma :(. Why are they gutting one of the best balanced champions in the game...

SnugglePuggle941 votes

The changes aren't live yet, only in PBE. So play her as much as you can before the nerf takes place.

Ramza Paradise1 votes

bump....

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