I played Garen vs a Kalista

Ramza Paradise·Feb 22, 2015·80 votes·7,548 views

lol

46 Comments

Fickle GenieFeb 22, 201526 votes

So...

DeathToHereticsFeb 23, 201514 votes

Yes.

Mistress MadokaFeb 23, 201510 votes

Rofl

Klatn YeloxFeb 24, 20152 votes

Oh No! Too much Spiderman! RUN!

http://i.imgur.com/X4T3G41.gif

Lt StrekoFeb 24, 20151 votes

Holds nose I'll be back.

Focus TeemoFeb 23, 20157 votes

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Yes.

Ro0kiFeb 22, 201512 votes

I really like how you came through. didn't expect the post to be so calm about it.

Leti the YetiFeb 22, 20159 votes

make silence affect passives and garen will be golden.. the flash Qs.... wooh!

ThefriendlyorcFeb 22, 20159 votes

As a rammus/Hecarim jungler, MS boosts dont matter against her. :(

What Is SmiteFeb 22, 20156 votes

As a Pantheon Jungler, SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

but on a more serious note yea they need to fix her passive so that it doesn't make every champion obsolete even when they do prep a trap

ThefriendlyorcFeb 22, 20152 votes

Whats worse is when you're a sticky jungler like Xin and she STILL avoids you through a slow charge.

What Is SmiteFeb 22, 20154 votes

right because Slows=OP for ranged champs but do next to shit for melee's when they have them in their kits

ThefriendlyorcFeb 22, 20157 votes

The 'flash every second' kinda makes slows irrelevant. It really shouldnt have made it past testing. =/

What Is SmiteFeb 23, 20151 votes

If kalista is in a game then it should be that every champion with a gap-closer has 100% cdr on it just so that it's somewhere in the ball park of "fair gameplay" and "balanced kits"

ThefriendlyorcFeb 23, 20152 votes

Honestly some get close, Xin's E gets close to directional dash every three seconds, she just covers SO much ground.

What Is SmiteFeb 23, 20151 votes

I remember someone suggesting that Slows affect dashes which I believe that would effectively nerf Kalista's passive but only very slightly, if Riot wanted to balance her then they would probably need to scrap her passive and maybe take the passive from her W and use that as her kit passive. Since the mark applies every 6 seconds and cannot be re-applied this would make for a better passive while the mobility portion of her kit can be moved towards her Q while giving it a slightly better CD than the current 8 seconds. That's my thoughts on it but since I'm not an ADC main I can't give much on it other than a personal analysis from playing with and against Kalista's in Solo Que

Klatn YeloxFeb 24, 20151 votes

But then Riot would have to admit that they were wrong in their original design values. We will have to wait two years before they rework her, saying she BECAME unhealthy in the meta of that time. Assuming they don't make champions with even more broken mobility.

Robert SmithFeb 23, 20151 votes

I run towards her with thornmail on rammus. Then I laugh and laugh as she kills herself

ThefriendlyorcFeb 23, 20152 votes

Except most of her damage comes from lots of little autos/on hit effects, like rend. So thornmail isnt AS effective as say against a Draven or Jinx.

KalarepaFeb 22, 20158 votes

It blows my mind, how can Riot's balance think, that it's ok for Garen or Darius exist in the same game as someone like Kalista.

test accountFeb 22, 201511 votes

I know. Garen and Darius are so broken. I mean, I was playing as a kalista versus darius the other day, and when I tried to get him to kite me he just turned and fought the rest of my team. A few weeks ago I was up against Garen, and he backed off every time I hopped back instead of chasing. It was totally unfair.

OyddAWqJ5rFeb 22, 20155 votes

Real Kalista mains woulda maintained the max range distance since it is further than Darius' pull range and you can easily outhop Garen's Q MS.

JJI744Feb 22, 20153 votes

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Real Kalista mains woulda maintained the max range distance since it is further than Darius' pull range and you can easily outhop Garen's Q MS.

I'm not saying I agree with Test Account, but you missed his/her point. If you run at kalista and she jumps away, you turn around and fight her team instead of chasing. She jumps further when jumping away, so she now has to waste time walking back into the teamfight since she hopped out of AA range.

If they go that stupid hurricane build, just having a tank run at her until she hops away then turning around is actually a decent way to keep her impact at a minimum. The build lacks heavy single-target damage, and Kalista doesn't have a steroid outide her W proc, which does magic damage. So she actually has a hell of a time actually killing a tank that doesn't just chase her endlessly.

Still would not recommend taking Garen vs. her.

OyddAWqJ5rFeb 22, 20159 votes

No my friend, you missed my point.

Real Kalista mains woulda maintained the max range distance since it is further than Darius' pull range and you can easily outhop Garen's Q MS.

Aka stayed in range at max range aka stayed in the fight.

ChaoticPineconeFeb 23, 20151 votes

the point isnt a good one.

okay - she kites back and is out of the fight. then you turn back on the enemy team.

but a good kalista wont jump STRAIGHT backwards. she kites from side to side. you turn back? great! Q, jump forward. if kalista gets a single auto off, she is right back in the fight with you. what if she doesnt get that auto off? well, she misses out on a couple autos to reposition herself (what any other adc has to do, excluding vayne) and is back in the fight.

and this is assuming that you have the chance to chase her down (no peel from the support, no front line you have to get through). and assuming that she doesnt rip those rend stacks from all that chasing so you die when you get back into the fight.

lojicianFeb 22, 201511 votes

The thing that really gets me is that darius and kalista have the exact opposite problem. Darius has no mobility resulting in being garbage in high elo where people are better at kiting and has completely rock paper scissors interactions based on who he can reach.

I thought riot learned their lesson but then the same designer releases kalista, who has infinite mobility resulting in being completely broken in high elo where people can use her to kite and has rock paper scissors interactions based on who can reach her.

I can understand making mistakes but jesus at least try to learn from them.

What Is SmiteFeb 22, 20158 votes

Well that is CertainlyT for you, can't understand the concept of balance for shit

SEKAIFeb 23, 20153 votes

The funniest thing is that one of them is his earliest creation and the other is his latest.

LoL and CertainlyToxic.

LightniingFeb 22, 20153 votes

It's a struggle.

Sinister AnubisFeb 22, 20152 votes

Why would you do such a thing

Nausicäa Feb 23, 20152 votes

I wouldnt recommend playing Garen at all. But ok.

Drunk RummateFeb 23, 20152 votes

Obviously didn't wait in a bush with your DFG.

Oh wait...

Klatn YeloxFeb 25, 20151 votes

Referencing the troll AP Garen build that worked solely due to lich bane, his high base damage on abilities, and the non-scaling execute?

juaumzitusFeb 22, 20151 votes

Have you tried building move speed boots and alacrity (if you don't have ghost) instead of whatever else wrong you did? I believe the problem was spinning on her range, could be avoided if you build frozen mallet instead of sunfire.

AlëkFeb 22, 20155 votes

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Have you tried building move speed boots and alacrity (if you don't have ghost) instead of whatever else wrong you did? I believe the problem was spinning on her range, could be avoided if you build frozen mallet instead of sunfire.

sorry bruh dash isn't affected by slows. Fact of the matter is any bruiser with only MS boosts gets rekt by Kalista. Hell, even some that have gapclosers get rekt. She's just OP as fuck right now.

lojicianFeb 22, 20157 votes

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Hell, even some that have gapclosers get rekt.

Some? If you are a melee champion and you can not kill her by the time she starts autoing again after you've used your gapcloser and combo you are dead. It's just stupid.

BorfinFeb 22, 201513 votes

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Have you tried building move speed boots and alacrity (if you don't have ghost) instead of whatever else wrong you did? I believe the problem was spinning on her range, could be avoided if you build frozen mallet instead of sunfire.

You don't know why that wouldn't work against Kalista?

....Really?

SinlaireFeb 23, 20152 votes

i wonder if he as going for item 3110 instead of item 3022 .......

OyddAWqJ5rFeb 22, 201522 votes

could be avoided if you build frozen mallet

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I Main SwainFeb 22, 20151 votes

imo kalista should have the shortest range of all the ranged champs (or at least of the adcs). that, or they should replace her hop passive with something that gives her bonus stats when her soulbound dies.

ZerglingOneFeb 23, 20151 votes

Maybe we just need a cc that blocks dashes and blinks and put it on a bunch of characters, exhaust, and maybe an item. Bam. Kalista balanced, mobility creep averted.

JamnonFeb 23, 20151 votes

Riot: LC$ MONEY!

Philbo BagginsFeb 23, 20151 votes

You know what is OP? Draft pick. Problem solved bro.

AFK PushFeb 23, 20151 votes

this really only happens in blinds and teambuilder, no one in their right mind would pick a garen first or after a kalista pick. That being said when I play teambuilder and this happens, a part of me dies inside.

SchteltzerFeb 23, 20151 votes

oh why thank you, making a thread was totally necessary especially because it's not obvious at all that garen will be kited by kalista. it's your fault running at her expecting to catch her

Klatn YeloxFeb 24, 20151 votes

Seriously. Try fighting her with any mage that has delayed, ground targeted skillshots, ie Karthus, (new) Veigar, Cassiopeia. Seriously. Unless she decides she does enough damage, and stops kiting, its a feed lane.