Riot "Towers are supposed to protect you early game and youre supposed to protect towers late game."

2yordles1cupcake·Oct 26, 2015·128 votes·5,436 views

When did late become pre lv 6? That everyone and their mom are forcing those 4 man tower dives before the 10min mark even hits?

80 Comments

KingopantsOct 26, 201548 votes

We all know towers are not much more then glorified caster minions standing on a pink ward. Really should stop expecting them to protect you at any point in the game.

XonraOct 26, 201532 votes

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We all know towers are not much more then glorified caster minions standing on a pink ward. Really should stop expecting them to protect you at any point in the game.

Yup, it is to the point I've seen Lux tower dive someone and get a kill and get out alive. LUX, with some of the lowest HP in the game.

Towers be a joke, and they've made them more so a joke mainly this current season. The joys of Riot "hating" snowballing, and fixing it by implementing 20 things to make you snowball games faster lol

YumaS2AstralOct 26, 20158 votes

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Yup, it is to the point I've seen Lux tower dive someone and get a kill and get out alive. LUX, with some of the lowest HP in the game.

Towers be a joke, and they've made them more so a joke mainly this current season. The joys of Riot "hating" snowballing, and fixing it by implementing 20 things to make you snowball games faster lol

One of the biggest problems with towers is how easy is to drop aggro

For example, do you know one of the reasons why Elise is so strong at the moment? Because she can towerdive easily. With the help of her laner, Elise can just towerdive pre-6, take tower aggro, and when she is about to take fatal damage, drop tower aggro with her Spider form's E.

One of the problems with towers early game is that it is just too easy to escape without dying, thanks to mobility/untargetability that allows laners to tower dive early with too much ease.

Silents429Oct 26, 20152 votes

You mean a powerful long range mage has no problems killing under tower?

With a reapplying shield?

Um, wow?

XonraOct 27, 20154 votes

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You mean a powerful long range mage has no problems killing under tower?

With a reapplying shield?

Um, wow?

Maybe you missed the part about turret diving. Shooting from long range isn't turret diving, that is...shooting from long range.

Maybe you need to take a reading comprehension class before trying to be a smart ass to someone.

Silents429Oct 27, 20151 votes

With a reapplying shield?

That shield that applies to her twice. And even in turret range she is long range and hitting behind turret with ease.

A Miss FortuneOct 26, 20153 votes

Funny you said that, just last game as ADC Kennen I was able to tower dive and kill a Lucian by myself while taking like 4 shots from the tower, even ADCs can tower dive with ease.

Shrapnel ShrapOct 26, 20152 votes

Back in the day you could destroy towers before minions even spawned. idk why people complain so much about it. Team communication, map awareness, wards, top TP awareness, you shouldn't be having consistent 4v2 bot. \ o /

Ledz3p15Oct 26, 20153 votes

double tp meta has it as a 4v4 or 5v5 bot lane fight, who needs farm when you can just farm up champions

MordepoolOct 26, 20151 votes

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Back in the day you could destroy towers before minions even spawned. idk why people complain so much about it. Team communication, map awareness, wards, top TP awareness, you shouldn't be having consistent 4v2 bot. \ o /

Back in the day. Fortify. Your argument is invalid

LeeDarkOct 27, 20152 votes

Fortify was removed because it wasn't competitive. Even supports didn't take it.

Dar RaksadaOct 27, 20151 votes

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Fortify was removed because it wasn't competitive. Even supports didn't take it.

It was removed because it promoted defensive play/was considered to have 'no counterplay'.

The Yetii RiderOct 26, 20157 votes

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Back in the day you could destroy towers before minions even spawned. idk why people complain so much about it. Team communication, map awareness, wards, top TP awareness, you shouldn't be having consistent 4v2 bot. \ o /

The pro players are constantly getting screwed by 4 minute three man tower dives. How are you supposed to punish that? They certainly can't.

GorgannanOct 26, 20152 votes

The fact that 4 of the enemies are in one lane?

BluePolarizerOct 26, 20151 votes

apparently even LCS pros cannot deal with it.

GorgannanOct 27, 20152 votes

Really? Because they usually DO get something for it.

LeeDarkOct 27, 20151 votes

Not really, they don't. They just set up to do the same dive on the other side of the map. If one team succeeds and the other fails... well, let's just say they win pretty fucking often.

GorgannanOct 27, 20151 votes

But that's taking advantage. Also, USUALLY the team that executes the same strategy but better wins. Whoah.

LeeDarkOct 27, 20151 votes

If you are okay with the game USUALLY being over within five minutes, then you probably aren't the kind of fan this game needs. You could try Heroes of the Storm, but even they have only managed to shorten the games to about 20 minutes or so.

KingKong2350Oct 27, 20151 votes

Before the 7 minute mark, all turrets have a buff that decreases champion damage. I think we are talking about those early tower dives that generally happen before the 7 minute mark.

GorgannanOct 27, 20151 votes

Those 4 man turret takedowns before 7 minutes that happen all the time be crazy.

BiffoloOct 27, 20151 votes

When it backfires and gets nothing you see skts second game against edg. Where bengi went top, dove the other lane and started the snowball that would go on to win the game.

TotalJerkOct 26, 201519 votes

You're quoting another Board post, but you put "Riot" at the front.

Anyway, if you get 4 man dived, that's your entire teams fault. The shouldn't have ALL made it to your tower without proper warding unless they TP'd, and if they did, your teammates should've punished them for it.

On the other hand. Assassins shouldn't be able to 70-0 you under tower at level 6 and dash out before it gets 3 shots off.

TNHA BaritoneOct 26, 20152 votes

agree

Malevolent MetalOct 26, 20152 votes

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You're quoting another Board post, but you put "Riot" at the front.

Anyway, if you get 4 man dived, that's your entire teams fault. The shouldn't have ALL made it to your tower without proper warding unless they TP'd, and if they did, your teammates should've punished them for it.

On the other hand. Assassins shouldn't be able to 70-0 you under tower at level 6 and dash out before it gets 3 shots off.

Most ad orriented champs can take towers like they're nothing...

NoDomeAtHomeOct 27, 20152 votes

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You're quoting another Board post, but you put "Riot" at the front.

Anyway, if you get 4 man dived, that's your entire teams fault. The shouldn't have ALL made it to your tower without proper warding unless they TP'd, and if they did, your teammates should've punished them for it.

On the other hand. Assassins shouldn't be able to 70-0 you under tower at level 6 and dash out before it gets 3 shots off.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yeah................................... turrets have become big decorations that give gold.

DengedenOct 27, 20151 votes

On the other hand. Assassins shouldn't be able to 70-0 you under tower at level 6 and dash out before it gets 3 shots off.

Well, you need to CC them. Otherwise, you could take any bad trade and just stay in tower range.

Only Play DariusOct 26, 201517 votes

Funny I consistently see lvl 5/6 2v1 tower dives against full health champions successfully executed even in solo queue games

Probably has something to do with all the mobility/untargetability/damage immunity running rampant in the game

I mean honestly if you're full health under your tower and you die simply because the jungler or midlaner decided to dive you then thats the definition of no counterplay, you did nothing wrong other than have a jungler who wasn't there at the right time, that isn't your fault.

Maybe give armor shred to outer turrets so that someone can actually fight back when they are getting dove.

Kitten of EvilOct 26, 20158 votes

I remember a recent game where I died to a Fizz and Xin Zhao at level 2. As Anivia. Under my tower. With my passive up.

SkiasOct 27, 20152 votes

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I remember a recent game where I died to a Fizz and Xin Zhao at level 2. As Anivia. Under my tower. With my passive up.

That's happened to me a bunch of times. The best is when they are meleeing you and just walk away after your egg dies.

Rito StaffOct 26, 20159 votes

shh play DotA then comeback, you'll see LoL towers as an extended fountain

Excitidly InsaneOct 26, 20153 votes

DotA towers are horrible.

You can be pushing with a creep wave and all of a sudden it focuses you, and on the flipside you can dive with ease.

Mickey DonnerudoOct 26, 20152 votes

DotA tower logic is different than LoL.

If you are the closest target (besides the siege minion), then it will target you.

Excitidly InsaneOct 26, 20153 votes

Ooooh, makes sense o_o

Finally explains why my poor Mortred was getting tower tickles.

DazedOnlookerOct 26, 20159 votes

Lulu Sivir Low hp..we ded soon

Pantheon Comming to kill us

Lulu Sivir Camps under turret

Lulu Pings for adc to fall back because a 2man tower dive is imminent

Sivir Potato

Lulu "We ded bruh"

Sivir "Nah we gots this, why would they tower dive at lvl 4 with no winions?"

Pantheon Enemy Double Kill!!

morris1Oct 26, 20156 votes

We all know that the tower only protects you if you are Blitzcrank

iainB85Oct 26, 20154 votes

Towers need to attack faster, plain and simple.

It's far too easy for people with just a little bit of coordination to juggle tower aggro and dive easily.

Archon XOct 26, 20152 votes

that's why double tp is in the meta, if your top and mid burned their tps returning to lane well then you just got out-rotated.

MrWasjigOct 26, 20152 votes

Can we get a link to this quote? I want something to laugh at.

CoolKnightSTOct 26, 20152 votes

The problem is that riot decided to nerf turrets in order to make splitpush more viable again rather than buffing the itematisation to pull off that job. How many people did you actualy see with item 2137 . The system they are using now is not working.

stabby himikoOct 26, 20152 votes

Then CertainlyT somehow works on towers,gives them the bullshit treatment,turns them into an actual champion and suddenly there's 8 more champions on each team.

YossarianSenseiOct 27, 20152 votes

I don't know how you can expect to live from a 4 man tower dive

A Champion is a far greater resource than a Tower, if a team commits 4 champs to dive 1 dude then you should understand you're not favored to win that fight.

Cloud PotatoOct 27, 20152 votes

As much as people complain about stale meta, any laning configuration other than 1-1-1-2 is total cancer. I don't know why Riot doesn't nuke it from orbit. How exactly are half of the melee cast supposed to live in a world where they can be set up against 4 people without significant punishment?

HEXXEN9xOct 27, 20152 votes

Because Riot artificially forced the game "to not last too long" a while back. Towers drew the short end of the stick when they messed with SR.

The face planting, rambo assasins at lvl 6 arnt helping either. Whelp the turret took 10% of their health the entire time I was dieing, thanks !

ThePartyLeaderOct 26, 20151 votes

Why are you at your tower when there are 4 enemies there? Idc late game or 30 seconds in if you are outnumbered 4 to 1 you are going to die. Heck they could probably spawn pad kill you with 4 reasonable champions.

rampaging poetOct 26, 20154 votes

For me, the most common reason is that the divers have more mobility. If I try to flee the turret I'll just die with them taking zero turret shots instead of 1-2. Might be worth it to reduce the assist gold the enemy team gets I guess.

SlytherinUmbreonOct 27, 20151 votes

The late game became level 6 because passive laners and late game champions aren't fun to play against - Leblanc

TeCoolMageOct 27, 20152 votes

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The late game became level 6 because passive laners and late game champions aren't fun to play against -

I hate youuuuuuu

- Xerath Soraka Velkoz Viktor Ziggs TwistedFate Sona Syndra Orianna Nami Malzahar Lissandra KogMaw insert every squishy champion in LoL that isn't an assassin

Gregor GysiOct 27, 20151 votes

Honestly, 4 man towerdives are not really a good idea most of the time (except for laneswaps, but we don't have those in regular play) seeing how 2 lanes are going to be free then. But yea, go ahead and complain. The history of complaining about towers being too weak goes back to beta and it still doesn't make sense.