Vayne pressed Q, and tumbled out of it. http://i.imgur.com/0j35Vvl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4cibfHz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZhqyPju.jpg Impassable my ass. The year is 2016, lets make it so vayne can stun j4 inside of his own ult, and not fix it like we did with veigar's stun.
WoonStruck53 votesThey really should make more anti-mobility niches. J4 should be one of them along with poppy. Its what he used to be about.
Vistha Kai11 votesHe was... Before every single new champion and their grandma started getting two dashes with no cost*.
By "cost" I mean that "just as good or better than comparable champions without mobility".
Dessem1 votesThe funny part is where ulting Poppy results in her smashing him to death against his own wall, hue hue hue.
junglerboy161 votesor new Poppy Ws and denies him the dunk in the first place.
I Miss Cannon1 votesit can't deny his dunk because it can only be cancelled by death
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votesThey really should make more anti-mobility niches. J4 should be one of them along with poppy. Its what he used to be about.
"anti-mobility niches" Beautiful, I want it
FlameHalbrdOkido1 votesThey really should make more anti-mobility niches. J4 should be one of them along with poppy. Its what he used to be about.
about to submit a champion design for one now, man ive been telling people about Nubari's release for like a year to two now
yay nibbers18 votesAs dumb as it is, I always found it funny how Vayne can stun Jarvan against his own wall and then tumble out of it. Riot should really fix that.
fééd l0rd2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=85EVt1Tf,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-12-05T08:58:22.834+0000)
As dumb as it is, I always found it funny how Vayne can stun Jarvan against his own wall and then tumble out of it. Riot should really fix that.
It is called counterplay.
Azteryz20 votesher tumble cant go through normal walls so why can it go through j4s?
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes[{quoted}](name=LOL Spammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=85EVt1Tf,comment-id=0007000000010000,timestamp=2015-12-05T18:47:36.871+0000)
riot stated in 2011 that tumble won't go through walls, that means that what you are showing us is a bug and should be fixed
LOL Spammer1 votesJust because it is a bug doesn't mean that she can't do it.
fééd l0rd2 votesher tumble cant go through normal walls so why can it go through j4s?
she can tumble through really thin walls. Maybe she should not be able to tumble out of his ult, neither should other mobile champions be able to get out of his ult. Maybe his ult could silence enemies for 1 second which are next to him?
Azteryz2 votesokay im not talking about the 4 specific walls that she can tumble specifically through where she needs to specifically be at a specific place and click on a specific place with the camera on a specifc area
you know what that kinda sounds like^^^^ a bug that needs to be fixed
and if anything what they should do is literally put azirs wall mechanic on it where it just stops them and minus the damage part
and silence wouldnt work since some gap closers should be able to get out of his wall like ezreal jump where its a blink
SpecterVonBaren3 votesNo, it's just that her dash is really short range so it can only get her through thin walls.
Azteryz1 votescould you say some examples of which walls
SpecterVonBaren2 votesHhm... Instead of telling you, I'll show you.
Azteryz1 votesi just said in my comment before your reply that i was referring to the 4 walls already so whats your point? :S
Photos of Ghosts1 votesTHAT's the thin walls, it's not a bug, it's a matter of range. J4's ult is terrain. As such, dashes that are long enough go through it. Tumble is the shortest dash. Cataclysm is the thinnest wall. The thinnest wall is passable for the shortest dash. Bye.
jawd551 votesIf I'm not mistaken if you read the tips section on vayne it says that tumble cant go over walls. Gives the impression that its really not supposed to be able to go over any wall.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesshe can tumble through really thin walls. Maybe she should not be able to tumble out of his ult, neither should other mobile champions be able to get out of his ult. Maybe his ult could silence enemies for 1 second which are next to him?
Well, Riven can't dash through really thin walls. Same thing.
Durzaka3 votesShe only cant go through normal walls because her tumble range is too short to cross them.
It is not too short to cross J4s ult, therefore it works.
It is really that fucking simple.
Azteryz1 votesthe specific thin walls she can go through is not intented at all therefore it should also not be able to go through j4s wall
Durzaka1 votesAny specific walls she can go through have been around for a long time now. if they werent intended they would be fixed.
And they arent comparable to j4s wall, which are extra thin.
Terra D Serph1 votesThat's a really bad counterargument. "If they weren't intended they would be fixed."
There are dozens of examples of skills that have unintended mechanics that weren't meant to be there. And there are dozens more examples of skills that took forever to be fixed.
Fefnil1 votesIt's not unintended. EVERY dash in game can go through walls, IF the wall width is lower than the dash length. At the moment there is not a single dash coded to stop at walls, except Poppy's W second part. The shortest dashes in game are Riven's first and second Q, that are so short that they can't even pass Jarvan's ult. In SR there are 4 walls so thin that even Vayne can pass. It's not a bug in the walls.
Hyrum Graff1 votesAt the moment there is
nota single dash coded to stop at walls,exceptPoppy's W second part.
ftfy
Fefnil1 votesYeah, I guess that's how normal people talk.
Terra D Serph1 votesI'm not advocating for either side, I'm simply stating that just because something hasn't been addressed yet doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't need to be addressed.
With that argument, I could have argued that Poppy did not need a rework up until the point that Riot decided to give her a rework. The argument only holds as much ground until there is a change, in which case the argument becomes extremely flawed, based solely on that statement: "If they weren't intended they would be fixed."
Gubaguy1 votes{quoted} if they werent intended they would be fixed.
How long was the devourer bug in game before it got fixed? How long has minion blocking been in game? how long have broken vision wards been in game? all of these thigns either are still around, or have only recently been fixed after having been in the game for AGES. and riot wont "fix" it becuase #BIGLCSPLAYS
Old Man Teeto43 votesStunning against the wall imo is fine.
Tumbling out not so much.
BiBoX216 votesAfter 2 years of playing, I finally figure out the "impassable" or Riot means "un-walkable" , which means any jump (dash/blink) which has range longer than a walk will pass it! (even the self-knockback of Trundle's pillar)
Ralanr1 votesAzir ult.
Durzaka2 votesAzir's ult doesnt say impassable.
it literally says in the description "stopping enemy movement and dashes."
Sire Hippington1 votesAfter 2 years of playing, I finally figure out the "impassable" or Riot means "un-walkable" , which means any jump (dash/blink) which has range longer than a walk will pass it! (even the self-knockback of Trundle's pillar)
we thing is tha he creats (theoretically)terrain, and vayne'S Q theoretically can't go through terrain, thats why sh'e allowed to have a 2sec cd mobillity tool. However, J4s ult does not count as terain for vaynes Q, bit apparently it is terrain enough for her E...
Small Tiddies15 votesVayne nerfs. Rito- 3 AD.
3TWarrior3 votesthat 3 ad might have done a lot more than I thought it did at first given how much some of the other marksmen lost
last hitting as miss fortune is a nightmare now as she loses as much as 10 AD by level 5 compared to her old values
for reference, her attack damage growth was reduced from 3.1 to 1 per level
TurquoiseYoshi6 votesI like how they refrained to comment on Kayle's loss of 5 AD in favor of an overused joke, but took an entire paragraph to explain Vayne's loss of 3 AD.
Penns8 votesRiven E cant go through normal walls either, but it dashes right through j4 ult, so..
Ipols5 votesJ4 ults vayne, vayne stuns him in the wall and Q's out.
ModAcademy Kayn5 votesTerrain is coded as minions. Sadly, this is why its confusing, due to the fact he gets stunned by it while she can still tumble out.
NegusInParis6 votesNo they are coded as pasta. Anivia Wall is spaghetti and Jarvan ult is coded as fettuccine
Blastermine4 votesThey can't walk out of it if they're dead. Besides, it hard counters immobile squishies before they get 
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Unward494 votesAs a more avid Jarvan main than anyone in the entire world, I have more or less just accepted that his ult will always be a broken stupid piece of amateur programming trash that will never work as intended if it works AT ALL. Good Jarvan players know how to position that thing so that it doesn't matter if you can get out or not. That, by the way, is why you see us ult the support and not the adc or the tank and not the ap mid, it's because we want the wall where they are standing and when we are building tank, the damage is more or less irrelevant anyway.
However, if Riot wanted to actually fix it for once, they should make it impenetrable to dashes, but not blinks and teleports. People trying to dash through it should get bounced like they face slammed an Azir wall, but not interrupted in any way. So a Vayne attempting to dive roll over the wall would instead be directed around the circumference of the wall.
But honestly, it doesn't even annoy me how many people can dash out of my ult. Flash has always been a spell and Cataclysm has always been a spell used to make sure that you don't have flash when you want it. This is the way of things. But no, the bug that pisses me off the most which STILL exists is when champions who's only escape is to run fast manage to just power their way through the broken as fuck programming by sheer exertion of bullshit.
Old Man Teeto3 votesCoded as minions with special immunity to Ghost/walk through effects. Requires probably remaking the abilities code from scratch.
WolfBV2 votesVayne and Riven can dash out because the wall is thin enough. Other walls Vayne usually can't because they're too thick.
DorkunedAuras1 votesVayne in particular I believe was stated to NEVER be able to tumble through ANY walls, the tumble is repositioning only.
The fact that she's getting over J4 ult is not intended.
WolfBV3 votesVayne in particular I believe was stated to NEVER be able to tumble through ANY walls, the tumble is repositioning only.
The fact that she's getting over J4 ult is not intended.
On the previous map there was a section of wall near dragon pit that Vayne could tumble over if she got it right. A Rioter commented on the trick saying that it's pretty risky to do but has a good reward for those that don't fail. On the wiki it says that Vayne's tumble is able to go over temporary terrain, so j4's ultimate and anivia's w. However, J4's and Anita's terrain are treated as walls for things like Vayne's condemn, Gnar's ultimate, Nautilus's Q, and Poppy's old E.
