Why doesnt Reksai's bite consume fury?

Ch0c0lateJesus··4 votes·772 views

Riot has occasionally stated that they dont like manaless sustain, harass, true damage, and overly safe champion mechanics. Then they make an effort to create champs that have all of these traits on a regular basis. Riot("we dont inforce a meta")Games also seems to forget that champs can be played in other roles when they are designing new ones specifically to align with the meta.

Hence we have(yes its overpowered) RekSai top. No, the existence of champions that counter something doesnt = balance. Everything is vulnerable to CC, and skillcap should not be considered as a balancing factor(not the Reksai is hard to play). So what makes her overpowered in lane? Well try building up some fury beforehand with a few autos on minions(doesnt take many), melee Q your opponent for massive damage, bite them for 100+ true damage(maybe a lot more if youre building pure damage), then burrow with full fury and heal a quarter of your hp back.

If you dont like the matchup, you can always hang back for a while and throw infinite ranged Qs. It doesnt do much damage, but hey its easy aoe damage and its free!

I think one simple change will make a large difference in top lane Reksai's strength.

Bite should consume all fury if it deals true damage. Currently there is zero tactical consideration needed for Rek'sai's fury. Its not a resource, its a bonus.

Every other fury based champ has tactical considerations involved with using fury. Generally its based on choosing between damage or healing. Renekton gets bonus damage with his empowered Q and also heals from it, but this has the major downsides of both pushing his lane very hard, and doing much less damage than his empowered W. Tryndamere hits like a wet noodle in lane without fury. If he's forced to heal with it, he dramatically cripples his damage and has to be passive until he generates more. RekSai doesnt need to bother with such tactical choices. Fury is easy to generate, isnt consumed by damaging skills, and she doesnt need to do huge aoe damage to a minion wave to heal with it.

Nerfs are inevitable and are already being tested by Riot, but I doubt just dabbling with the numbers on Q is going to do much at all. Its the sustain, and practically free true damage that is the issue here.

8 Comments

The Whamboozler5 votes

More often than not, what Rek'Sai is killing you with is her knockup + Q combo. Her bite isn't super amazing, even with the true damge, unless you use it to proc Trinity Force or something.

Ch0c0lateJesus2 votes

Yeah the W Q combo is pretty rediculous, which is why the free true damage bite at the end is too much. The bite's numbers arent that impressive to look at early on, but early in lane, when champs have >800 hp, a true damage bite for around 100 HP is a hell of a lot. It should cost Reksai the luxury of healing after a fight if she wants to add this damage to her combo.

It isnt a dramatic nerf, which is why I think its a good place to start.

Lord Dusteon3 votes

But then you severely nerfed jungle Rek'Sai because she requires her fury heal after biting a camp to actually survive to clear.

Raptamei1 votes

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But then you severely nerfed jungle Rek'Sai because she requires her fury heal after biting a camp to actually survive to clear.

If top Rek is better than jungle Rek, then Rek is a top laner and should be balanced accordingly.

Just like Diana turned out to be a mid instead of a jungler and has been balanced as a mid.

Ch0c0lateJesus1 votes

Severely nerf her jungle? Are you actually kidding me?

Sorry bro, Ive jungled a ton with Reksai, and I know from actual experience that you can stay in the jung pretty much perpetually if youre actually smart about your clear method. Large jungle creeps have a few thousand HP to start, the 100 true damage bite is nothing to them early on, its only overly strong against early champs who have a few hundred HP to start.

If youre having trouble staying alive in the jung with Reksai, then you probably shouldnt be playing her.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Severely nerf her jungle? Are you actually kidding me?

Sorry bro, Ive jungled a ton with Reksai, and I know from actual experience that you can stay in the jung pretty much perpetually if youre actually smart about your clear method. Large jungle creeps have a few thousand HP to start, the 100 true damage bite is nothing to them early on, its only overly strong against early champs who have a few hundred HP to start.

If youre having trouble staying alive in the jung with Reksai, then you probably shouldnt be playing her.

My main clear is burrowed Q, W, QQQ, auto a bit and then E. This gives me the most E damage (and early on, that helps her clear before you kill every camp in ~1-3 seconds), while providing the heal as I burrow and move on to the next camp. Getting rid of the fury makes her E only good as a bite in jungle at 95 fury, since actually using the true damage would then remove your healing, which makes her actual clears if she bites worse.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

why doesnt it consume fury ? because this would totaly wreck reksai everywhere (either you dont heal or you dont deal damage )

all that riot will do to stop her opness in toplane will be reducing some numbers and she will be fine

360D3GR3SS1 votes

Practically free? the only time it is free is if he is in lane...and can auto minions, and can actually get in range for it...No change is needed on his e because max furry is hard to get.

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