What a jungler must do

GamblerOfLives·Nov 20, 2015·53 votes·4,090 views

I was diamond 5..main jungle.I know my role pretty well.I see there are alot of confused players regarding the jungler role.His role is purely to apply pressure and relieve pressure from the enemy jungler. My role is not to win your lane.You need to do this.Not me.If you get ganked and die,it's your own fault bcs you overextended and didn;t ward properly.A good jungler will take advantage of this,knowing where the enemy jungler is(warding the jungler,counterjungle,dragon,gank other lanes) Secondly,you need to understand another thing.If you are getting camped by the enemy jungler and you don;t die.You just helped your own jungler indirectly.Bcs you are wasting the enemy time.It's totally worth it. This is a team game.Understand that if you helping each other will win you the game. For example,the enemy groups mid and pushes the tower.You have 3 mid with waveclear,it's early in the game.It's very worth defending the tower.While your other 2 members get objectives(like farm )).They are grouped mid,that means,they waste time mid if they don;t take anything.So fighting a 3 vs 5 it;s probably a bad ideea.But if you hold on.You can win out of that;). This game is not hard.All you need to do,is think before you make decisions and you will be easy diamond.just by that;) Had a game where we were behind like 7-8 k.We managed to comeback bcs i made a great decision.Bot was pushing.And i told my team to go at baron,bcs their adc will go bot to take the farm.And i was right.We got an uncontested baron and managed to comeback and win the game. Decisions like this wins you the game.I was lucky bcs the team actually listened to my calls;)

EDIT.If people are interested,you can ask here questions about the jungler role and i will try to answer to the best of my knowledge;)

109 Comments

chipndip1Nov 21, 20159 votes

The problem is the other side of the coin:

If a lane's getting stomped on because of ganks, and it gets to a point where it's obvious the enemy team is trying to make that lane too weak to carry into the mid game, the jungler SHOULD do something, and quick. Even if it's not immediately returning the favor in the same lane, you should be doing SOMETHING in response to the enemy jungler's pressure so they aren't making uncontested gains. It's not the jungler's job to win lanes, but it IS a jungler's job to influence the lanes so their lanes have a better shot at winning. People pull that "It's my job to win your lane" card usually when they're defending how piss poor they did jungling to begin with.

It's like the adc that says "It's my job to farm". No. You farm, but the point of harassing the enemy is so they don't get bold and walk all over us, so an adc that can't help with that isn't going to be much more than Silver/low Gold in skill. Or that support that goes "It's my job to keep my adc safe". Yea, but you also have to manage harassing, vision control (which may require wards behind enemy lines), and, if possible, roaming to help mid or your jungler. The game's not so black and white that one can throw out a lane and void responsibility. I mean, you probably know this shit already, but my issue is that not everyone does, so it's more beneficial to people reading if one highlights both sides of things rather than just one.

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20153 votes

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The problem is the other side of the coin:

If a lane's getting stomped on because of ganks, and it gets to a point where it's obvious the enemy team is trying to make that lane too weak to carry into the mid game, the jungler SHOULD do something, and quick. Even if it's not immediately returning the favor in the same lane, you should be doing SOMETHING in response to the enemy jungler's pressure so they aren't making uncontested gains. It's not the jungler's job to win lanes, but it IS a jungler's job to influence the lanes so their lanes have a better shot at winning. People pull that "It's my job to win your lane" card usually when they're defending how piss poor they did jungling to begin with.

It's like the adc that says "It's my job to farm". No. You farm, but the point of harassing the enemy is so they don't get bold and walk all over us, so an adc that can't help with that isn't going to be much more than Silver/low Gold in skill. Or that support that goes "It's my job to keep my adc safe". Yea, but you also have to manage harassing, vision control (which may require wards behind enemy lines), and, if possible, roaming to help mid or your jungler. The game's not so black and white that one can throw out a lane and void responsibility. I mean, you probably know this shit already, but my issue is that not everyone does, so it's more beneficial to people reading if one highlights both sides of things rather than just one.

Yes. As i said. The jungler job is to pressure the map. let's say your top lane gets ganked and dies. you as a jungler knowing where the enemy jungler is can counterjungle,you can gank knowing there is no posibilites of a countergank,hell you can even tower dive someone. The thing is.Pressure is important. and most of the players don;t understand this. Will give an example

Lux vs zed

Zed should win this right?But if, i as a jungler,protect my midlane. he can overextend and pressure the hell out of zed...push the wave constantly as lux;)..easy as that.

On another note. if someone gets camped and he dies constantly. Well,it's out of my hands at this point. The best thing that can happen is this.The dude is feeding,but i hope he still farms decently,to a point where he can get his items. i can;t do much to help my laners if they are feeding like that.The reason is simple. The Xp gains

Mid>top>jungle>adc>support

So,if mid and top is ahead and i am behind i can;t even gank him:)..

The best i can hope is capitalise on the enemy mistakes and hope we can outplay them;)

BluePolarizerNov 20, 20156 votes

Why can't more people think like this? I just don't know why even plats sometimes run around looking for fights instead of just fking taking the objective. Being a jungler this season is summoner 3 because everyone wants to be the fuckin solo carry.

GamblerOfLivesNov 20, 20154 votes

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Why can't more people think like this? I just don't know why even plats sometimes run around looking for fights instead of just fking taking the objective. Being a jungler this season is because everyone wants to be the fuckin solo carry.

All you need is game knowledge. I had a game in plat(got demoted bcs,well,i don;t like the preseason and jungle too much now:|..idk why..but it feels weird now) a malpphite was losing lane(i can;t remember vs who he was playing) he spammed pings all game long.From min 3.to gank his lane:|.. Now,the thing is.He is malphite.There is no reason to gank his lane.He still has utility even when behind right?His ulti.Why should i waste time with him.When i can snowball other lanes.And i did this.Sadly we didn;t win,bcs this guy was tilted and refused to play.It's fine.It's one game.It happends. But i wante to make this post.So people understand the role of a jungle.

BluePolarizerNov 20, 20153 votes

I had a fucking J4 intent feed because I didn't gank his lane after he solo died. As a rule I never gank lanes that get solo killed because it already proves they are incompetent.

The Poetic ZedNov 20, 201510 votes

that's being overly harsh. i've seen plenty people give up first blood solo lane then carry. people make mistakes. it doesn't make them incompetent

BluePolarizerNov 20, 20152 votes

from what I've seen, anyone who solo dies before I finish 2 buffs is incompetent. I will consider ganking for people who die in 1v1 if they at least prove they can right click minions correctly and last hit well, provided that the enemy laner is overextended and we have vision nearby. If they are significantly behind in both CS and died solo, they're a liability.

The Poetic ZedNov 20, 201510 votes

that's a negative mindset. shit happens.

edit: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2007305765/213933916?tab=overview so does this game make you incompetent?

BluePolarizerNov 20, 20151 votes

That was when the preseason just started and I was adjusting, so it was a bad game. You seem to have to go back quite a while to find me having an absolutely terrible game and having to ignore my recent wins. Well, you have to put your elo on the line to test the limits. Why are you ignoring games such as http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2012951477/213933916?tab=overview or noticing that I won 15/20 ranked games in the last week of s5?

On the other hand you don't even post on your main.

The Poetic ZedNov 20, 201510 votes

the point just flew straight over your head didn't it. i never said you were a bad player. i don't think you are. but using your rule of thumb, you would have to judge yourself incompetent. my whole point is that everyone has bad games "That was when the preseason just started and I was adjusting, so it was a bad game." and you literally just used the same excuse. and this is my main account now. i'm grinding to reach 30.

edit: just looked at the match. and you're literally only serving to prove my point. you gave up first blood. you still did great. which is exactly what i was saying. just because you die first doesn't make you incompetent. or are you forgetting what you said?

BluePolarizerNov 21, 20152 votes

I didn't die solo though. When I do die solo, I tell my team to forget about me. I'll play safe and build tanky. There is this uncontrollable urge by solo queue players to always fight, even if the enemy is incredibly fed and dangerous. Why not just farm safely at your turret?

Look, I'm a jungle main. I hit plat in May of this year. Granted, I've been bouncing up and down plat this whole time, so maybe I'm not deserving to be diamond, but there are diamonds here who agree with me: if a lane is losing, they're a liability. Some diamonds don't agree with me and that's fine, but clearly abandoning losing lanes and focusing on carry lanes is a valid choice.

The Poetic ZedNov 21, 20154 votes

did you even read what i said? i never said abandoning the losing lane wasn't a valid choice. you're defending yourself against something that was never said. look at the first reply, please.

BluePolarizerNov 21, 20151 votes

But you pointed out that I gave first blood. That's irrelevant because I never even mentioned first blood, I said dying solo. I didn't die solo which makes your whole point irrelevant.

The Poetic ZedNov 21, 20155 votes

nobody else seems to think so. and it hardly makes my whole point irrelevant. my "whole point" was that one death doesn't make you an incompetent player, neither does one game, and everything you said supported that

edit: also, how is dying alone in the jg not dying solo?

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Nov 21, 20154 votes

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nobody else seems to think so. and it hardly makes my whole point irrelevant. my "whole point" was that one death doesn't make you an incompetent player, neither does one game, and everything you said supported that

edit: also, how is dying alone in the jg not dying solo?

Do not try to argue with stupid people. They will try to bring you down to their level and beat you.

KaeblenNov 21, 20152 votes

you are failing to recognize something very important: winning a solo lane is not solely dependent on your own skill. It is also dependent on your opponent's skill. Even if your ally is Very Very Bad, it is sometimes worthwhile to stop their more competent opponent from snowballing. This is, of course, assuming you have ability and opportunity to do so.

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20152 votes

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you are failing to recognize something very important: winning a solo lane is not solely dependent on your own skill. It is also dependent on your opponent's skill. Even if your ally is Very Very Bad, it is sometimes worthwhile to stop their more competent opponent from snowballing. This is, of course, assuming you have ability and opportunity to do so.

I will honest here

A good player is easy to recognise

You press tab and look at his farm.Good farm means his good,bad farm means he is bad Idc if he is 10-0 in lane,if he has bad farm.He is still bad in my eyes:)

You can;t win every game. The decision you make in the game(what lanes to gank etc) depends and fluctuates every game.All you need to do is play the game and gain knowledge. so that next time you know what to do.

Here is a tip:)

I always try to gank mid.Bcs this way i can controll the enemy jungler

Also,i am aware that jungle pressure wins your solo laners the lane..Because they can play in certain way For example.Let's say i play warwick.Everybody knows i need level 6 to gank right?Well,,knowing this,the enemy will overextend and push wave after wave.And i am not able to do nothing bcs i am not level 6:)

This is how jungle pressure influences the game;)

ProzzakNov 21, 20152 votes

This mindset is terrible also. You need farm, this is true but farm is not everything. If you can reliably hit 100 farm at 12 minutes then that is great, but if your opponent is sitting at 90 at the same point you really do not have a huge lead at all.

Now compare that to being 3-0 at 12 minutes with 75 cs and you yourself have more gold (~20 cs worth of more gold) and then take into account you have likely added the ability to shutdown their laner. Let's even say that their laner stayed even with you for cs at 75, that puts him 15 cs under what he was in the pure farm lane and down a much wider amount on you.

75 cs isn't great at 12 minutes, but the 3 kill lead is better then having a 10 cs lead and you have done your job better overall.

edit: The reason I have played games like league for ~9 years now (maybe more was into Dota pretty early on) is because the situations call for adjustments all the time. You cannot label one thing as the be all end all. Being able to hit every cs is great, but only if you notice your opponent is slacking in that department, otherwise you haven't given yourself an edge at all. However, with that being said I would be quite happy to just get out of lane phase with the game still in a stalemate (I tend to do better post lane phase anyway lol).

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20151 votes

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This mindset is terrible also. You need farm, this is true but farm is not everything. If you can reliably hit 100 farm at 12 minutes then that is great, but if your opponent is sitting at 90 at the same point you really do not have a huge lead at all.

Now compare that to being 3-0 at 12 minutes with 75 cs and you yourself have more gold (~20 cs worth of more gold) and then take into account you have likely added the ability to shutdown their laner. Let's even say that their laner stayed even with you for cs at 75, that puts him 15 cs under what he was in the pure farm lane and down a much wider amount on you.

75 cs isn't great at 12 minutes, but the 3 kill lead is better then having a 10 cs lead and you have done your job better overall.

edit: The reason I have played games like league for ~9 years now (maybe more was into Dota pretty early on) is because the situations call for adjustments all the time. You cannot label one thing as the be all end all. Being able to hit every cs is great, but only if you notice your opponent is slacking in that department, otherwise you haven't given yourself an edge at all. However, with that being said I would be quite happy to just get out of lane phase with the game still in a stalemate (I tend to do better post lane phase anyway lol).

I wouldn't call it terrible..But farm means alot in my eyes.Makes the difference between a bad,a decent and a good player.There is no reason to have 75 cs and 3 kills and not have 100 cs and 3 kills;)

KaisasNov 21, 20153 votes

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I wouldn't call it terrible..But farm means alot in my eyes.Makes the difference between a bad,a decent and a good player.There is no reason to have 75 cs and 3 kills and not have 100 cs and 3 kills;)

Except there is. With 3 kills you've fought a lot, which will result in lost CS, more backs etc.. You have to account for the pressure of other laners and enemy jungler when fighting that much=> lost cs. Farm is a good benchmark, but do you account for the enemy roaming/match up/jungler forcing your laners away from farm? A good example of this is playing into a cait bot with strong early jungler. Cait will out CS you, zone you off farm and harass you for worse back timings. She relies on beating you in lane, it is how her power works. You can't EVER blindly looking at cs. Look at the pressure and how it inflicts the map, how do you counter pressure and how does that change the tempo. How does a roaming support/something impact other lanes. Do they burn a flash and force a mid to play safe and miss cs/not being able to counter roam or follow etc... It is true a jungler is not responsible for winning X lane. Sometimes the goal of lane X itself is not even to win, but merely survive or farm what it can. There are 120 different champions and an unmeasurable amount of scenarios. Each with its own tempo and goals. Have that in mind... Also you SHOULD expect on average to try and carry 2 ppl and hopefully get carried by 2 other. That is the kind of balance this game have.

Sire HippingtonNov 21, 20153 votes

.He is malphite.There is no reason to gank his lane.

this seems a really bad train of thoughts to me. Malph can snowball hard if he gets a lead, and post 6, his followp for ganks if massive, in many situations it's an easy kill/assist to pick up. sure, if other lanes really need help, they have priority, and if he's really, really far behind, it probably doesn't work either, but generally saying ganiking for malph is a waste of time because he has utillity seems ignorant to me.

WeatheredNov 21, 20153 votes

Top lane is getting wrecked. His enemy is 2/0/2. Our top laner is asking for a gank because he is behind.

Mid lane is pushed in and it looks like a perfect opportunity to gank, almost a certain kill. Our mid lane is 2/0/2.

Should I extend a lead or help a deficit?

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20152 votes

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Top lane is getting wrecked. His enemy is 2/0/2. Our top laner is asking for a gank because he is behind.

Mid lane is pushed in and it looks like a perfect opportunity to gank, almost a certain kill. Our mid lane is 2/0/2.

Should I extend a lead or help a deficit?

In this situation it;s obvious..You go for the certain kill. But what will you do next?You need towers to help your team with gold.Taking mid,which gives alot of map controll is the ebst option Also,keep in mind this.It's all about the players. I like to go for the camp startegy.Making someone completely useless. Depends on the champions they play If you top lane is someone like maokai..doesn;t really matter.He will still be usefull If your top lane is playing a carry champ.But has 0 farm and he is really bad.Well,you don;t help him.You help yourself.If you can shut down the enemy it's great.If not,well..you need to play it smart..Objectives win games. And mid tower is the most important tower.Mid can roam with you;) bot or top;)

SladeXDNov 21, 20152 votes

If you have the open oppurtunity, you should push that advantage because it will actually balance out the power if not put your team ahead. You will be getting one of your primary carries stronger to make up for the lost top lane. You just need your top laner to try and hold out until his opponent slips up and you can follow up and shut them down.

AdraxarNov 21, 20152 votes

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Top lane is getting wrecked. His enemy is 2/0/2. Our top laner is asking for a gank because he is behind.

Mid lane is pushed in and it looks like a perfect opportunity to gank, almost a certain kill. Our mid lane is 2/0/2.

Should I extend a lead or help a deficit?

If you go top you are dumb as rocks.If enemy top laner is 2/0/2 he can most likely kill you both in 1v2. On the other hand if you go for mid lane you will have 3/0/2 mid lane which can possibly kill enemy top.

RedTrinketGoneHaNov 20, 20152 votes

I have a question regarding sub jungler roles, if a lane is winning from a gank, and you can snowball that lane with more ganks, is it a good idea as a jungler to help that lane snowball more, or help out losing lanes? Purely asking cause I was playing a game top the other day vs a Nasus as Akali, and he was such an easy gank cause he has no escapes besides his flash which he used and can only use every 5 minutes, which he had previously used 2 minutes ago. He didn't have his lane warded cause he never went to ward. I asked KINDLY for another gank and told my jungler we could easily kill him, but he seemed to refuse and went bot lane to help them, but sadly the ganks failed cause they were already losing by like 3 kills and they just all ended up dying. I'm just a little confused about this one.

The Poetic ZedNov 20, 20152 votes

I THIN-(oops forgot caps) think a lot depends on the champions in lane. for someone like alkali, it's probably better to gank to let her snowball since she's weaker when not fed, but for utility champs like tanks, it's probably less important. essentially, you want to snowball the carries, the non-damage dealers are better off just holding their lane. that's my opinion on it anyways

GamblerOfLivesNov 20, 20152 votes

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I have a question regarding sub jungler roles, if a lane is winning from a gank, and you can snowball that lane with more ganks, is it a good idea as a jungler to help that lane snowball more, or help out losing lanes? Purely asking cause I was playing a game top the other day vs a Nasus as Akali, and he was such an easy gank cause he has no escapes besides his flash which he used and can only use every 5 minutes, which he had previously used 2 minutes ago. He didn't have his lane warded cause he never went to ward. I asked KINDLY for another gank and told my jungler we could easily kill him, but he seemed to refuse and went bot lane to help them, but sadly the ganks failed cause they were already losing by like 3 kills and they just all ended up dying. I'm just a little confused about this one.

Ok. akali vs nasus.you lost lane.It's bad.Bcs nasus is a snowbally champ.First off,akali doesn;t have cc.It's a hard lane to gank,unless the nasus overextends and your jungler has some sort of CC. You need to understand,that if a jungle comes and ganks for you and doesn;t get anything out of it.He puts himself behind.Which is bad. The jungle has his own adversary.The enemy jungler.And if he is behind and the enemy takes advantage of this.Well,he can;t do much.All the jungler need is Xp and if he is denied that,well,it;s over for him. As far as your lane was going.You should have done this.Roam and pressure mid.You lost lane,you can;t do much.Nasus will be a problem no matter how many stacks he has.If he won the lane,he will be a problem.But,if your team had peel vs him(lissandra,morgana etc) he can;t do much,he is still useless.The thing about nasus,is that he is predictable.He can splitpush,and this is the moment where you either gangbang him or force a 5 vs 4. Or the nasus can join fights.In which he is useless. Had a game..lissandra vs nasus.Was winning lane hard,but the guy had jungle pressure top side.So,i got fcked.But i was lucky bcs i was lissandra.I was doing more then him in fights.And he couldn;t never get to me(perma slows).We won the game bcs nasus was useless vs me(even with stacks)

Helping losing lanes .Well,i don;t do it to be honest.Unless the enemy is playing a champion that completey shuts down my own champion. I gank lanes where i know i can get kills.If not,i don;t whant to waste my time. If the enemy laner is really fed.Well,he probably could get a double.This is the moment where i need to call for my midlaner in order to 3-man him.

GamblerOfLivesNov 20, 20152 votes

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I have a question regarding sub jungler roles, if a lane is winning from a gank, and you can snowball that lane with more ganks, is it a good idea as a jungler to help that lane snowball more, or help out losing lanes? Purely asking cause I was playing a game top the other day vs a Nasus as Akali, and he was such an easy gank cause he has no escapes besides his flash which he used and can only use every 5 minutes, which he had previously used 2 minutes ago. He didn't have his lane warded cause he never went to ward. I asked KINDLY for another gank and told my jungler we could easily kill him, but he seemed to refuse and went bot lane to help them, but sadly the ganks failed cause they were already losing by like 3 kills and they just all ended up dying. I'm just a little confused about this one.

As a side note. Akali vs nasus.You won;t kill him if he is smart.No chance.Your best bet is to push to his tower(try to deny him farm under the tower),perfect cs(you don;t have any reason not to farm perfectly:) and try to roam mid or fck the enemy jungler.This is how you play that lane. akali needs kills in order to snowball right?If you can;t get them top,try to get them somewhere else

EndlessSorcererNov 20, 20153 votes

I dunno, it can be an annoying matchup as Nasus. If Akali freezes the wave on her side of the map and keeps a Q-mark on you constantly, you are at risk of eating two Q procs if you go to last hit. Akali has enough innate sustain even before Hextech Gunblade to rival Nasus' Q sustain in the early game.

It's pretty easy to kill her when you have some MR, health, and Q stacks later in the game, but the early laning phase is a pain.

I wouldn't recommend shoving Nasus under tower. Nasus can freeze the wave in front of his tower pretty easily, leaving you overextended and at risk of taking tower shots if you try to harass Nasus. Even if you do keep him under tower, most Nasus players are very accustomed to farming underneath the turret.

Honestly, all Akali needs is gold to snowball. It doesn't really matter if she gets it from near-perfect CS or from kills.

GamblerOfLivesNov 20, 20152 votes

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I dunno, it can be an annoying matchup as Nasus. If Akali freezes the wave on her side of the map and keeps a Q-mark on you constantly, you are at risk of eating two Q procs if you go to last hit. Akali has enough innate sustain even before Hextech Gunblade to rival Nasus' Q sustain in the early game.

It's pretty easy to kill her when you have some MR, health, and Q stacks later in the game, but the early laning phase is a pain.

I wouldn't recommend shoving Nasus under tower. Nasus can freeze the wave in front of his tower pretty easily, leaving you overextended and at risk of taking tower shots if you try to harass Nasus. Even if you do keep him under tower, most Nasus players are very accustomed to farming underneath the turret.

Honestly, all Akali needs is gold to snowball. It doesn't really matter if she gets it from near-perfect CS or from kills.

This is the way you deny stacks.You push him into his tower and you farm perfectly.He might get the cs,but he won;t get the stack.Bcs of the cooldown on his q early on.And you can't die as nasus vs akali early.Why?You just wither her if she whants to all in you,and just walk away.But you don;t even need to waste mana.If she has the mark on you,back away.If not,farm. Nasus has Tp.Which means,he can get back and buy MR.Easy as that. For akali.All she needs is level 6 and gunblade.But at level 6,she should start roaming. The best way to fck with nasus is to pressure other lanes. Ask yourself this.What does nasus whant?He whants to stack right?How can he do this?by killing minions.How do you kill minions and have a lot of farm.By having your tower up. Now,if the akali pressures mid,and takes down the tower.Well,its over for the nasus. The game is all about pressure right?Mid is taken,that means,that nasus will get gangbanged top side:).easy kill to be honest.Even if he is stacked.But how many stacks can he have at eh 15 min mark?I will tell you.Not enough to make a difference;). If he doesn;t have 400 stacks by the 20 min mark.He is useless.

As far as lanning phase goes.You can shove and roam(after you get level 6) or just perfect cs and deny nasus a few minions. You have no ideea what it means to have perfect cs man:)..You get your items(in akali case,she just needs gunblade and stomp the players)

RogueWillNov 21, 20152 votes

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I dunno, it can be an annoying matchup as Nasus. If Akali freezes the wave on her side of the map and keeps a Q-mark on you constantly, you are at risk of eating two Q procs if you go to last hit. Akali has enough innate sustain even before Hextech Gunblade to rival Nasus' Q sustain in the early game.

It's pretty easy to kill her when you have some MR, health, and Q stacks later in the game, but the early laning phase is a pain.

I wouldn't recommend shoving Nasus under tower. Nasus can freeze the wave in front of his tower pretty easily, leaving you overextended and at risk of taking tower shots if you try to harass Nasus. Even if you do keep him under tower, most Nasus players are very accustomed to farming underneath the turret.

Honestly, all Akali needs is gold to snowball. It doesn't really matter if she gets it from near-perfect CS or from kills.

Basically you are giving nasus semi free farm so you can roam and get kills from other lanes. Even if you deny cs on nasus by freezing lane he will get a few stacks and eventually is going to end up outscaling you. Akali in the other hand unless considerably ahead is going to fall off. Assuming you are against opponents with similar skills even if you are considerable ahead of nasus you still would be on par with the enemy jungler, mid and bot lane so you won't be able to snowball effectively. Nasus will only need around 70 cs killed with Q to kill an akali and his passive shoudl help with your Q if you are not able to proc them.

I have had similar problems with nasus with champions like wukong, once you hit 6 and are ahead enough to gank some other lane I just shove it and roam, I know at the end of teh day he is going to end up outscaling me 70% of the times so I try to help other lanes to finish the game before he becomes a treat.

Yuumis MagicbookNov 21, 20152 votes

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I have a question regarding sub jungler roles, if a lane is winning from a gank, and you can snowball that lane with more ganks, is it a good idea as a jungler to help that lane snowball more, or help out losing lanes? Purely asking cause I was playing a game top the other day vs a Nasus as Akali, and he was such an easy gank cause he has no escapes besides his flash which he used and can only use every 5 minutes, which he had previously used 2 minutes ago. He didn't have his lane warded cause he never went to ward. I asked KINDLY for another gank and told my jungler we could easily kill him, but he seemed to refuse and went bot lane to help them, but sadly the ganks failed cause they were already losing by like 3 kills and they just all ended up dying. I'm just a little confused about this one.

Helping out losing lanes is always a little tricky, I personally only do it when im 100% sure the enmy jungler won't countergank and ofc I have to be able to actually kill them with my lane. I would press the advantage on the winning lane, preferably a sidelane, pressure the tower and get more kills on the laners if possible. This will also draw the enemy jungler to that lane and relieve pressure elsewhere, now the important thing about that is that your laners have to bait an enemy gank so you can 2v2 or 3v3 countergank (depending on the lane) the enemy jungler.

tl;dr Its always safer to make the enemy jungler help out a losing lane than helping one out yourself since doing so makes your map movement predictable.

RalanrNov 21, 20152 votes

Any tips on surviving a counter jungle? I ran into a Shaco as Sion (he wasn't prepared by the looks of it) while I was getting the birds (I went Krugs, then birds so I had smite back up for red) and I couldn't seem to climb back up after he shut me down. So I guess tips on climbing back up from being counter jungled would help.

I'm not good at jungle, in fact I don't think I'm good in top like I thought I was, but those are my favorite roles. Anything to help me in them would be appreciated.

kaltenashesNov 21, 20152 votes

when the enemy jungler is cheesy and he might invade LeeSin Shaco , i just start at the buff do 1 or 2 camps and the other buff (example: red buff - chicken - wolves - blue buff) its a bit safer this way

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20152 votes

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when the enemy jungler is cheesy and he might invade , i just start at the buff do 1 or 2 camps and the other buff (example: red buff - chicken - wolves - blue buff) its a bit safer this way

This is my route

I used it in S6 too

Golems-chickens-red(smite)

I usually ward after i do my golems.

Everytime someone tries to do this shit to me,i completely destroy him..hopefully the team is responsive to an easy kill

In lower elo,you can do this yourself.Try to play khazix,start red and invade the enemy at his blue(easy FB)

PS: you can tell what side you are in champ selec.If you ban first you are blue team(red is bot side) if you ban second you are red team(blue is bot)

I haven;t seen lately too many invades.Not worth the risk i guess

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20153 votes

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Any tips on surviving a counter jungle? I ran into a Shaco as Sion (he wasn't prepared by the looks of it) while I was getting the birds (I went Krugs, then birds so I had smite back up for red) and I couldn't seem to climb back up after he shut me down. So I guess tips on climbing back up from being counter jungled would help.

I'm not good at jungle, in fact I don't think I'm good in top like I thought I was, but those are my favorite roles. Anything to help me in them would be appreciated.

well

Sion can;t do much vs shaco. shaco is better in every aspect

Sion is good in teamfights and peeling for your adc

You can;t do much if the shaco plays good. But going tank as i'm guessing you did,it;s the way to not die.

But sion is useless in the jungle man:|..only when he is 6 he has a great gank.

kaltenashesNov 21, 20152 votes

i'm starting to main jungle and a question

what to do if the enemy gets a huge advantage against your ally? is it worth ganking a lane where your ally is 0-3?

i usually ignore the cry for help, focus other lanes and keep an eye for that 3-0 laner to see if he's overextending enough so i can gank if him (half hp and no potions, its hard to keep an eye for their flash, since in silver people doesnt warn when enemy burned summs)

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20152 votes

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i'm starting to main jungle and a question

what to do if the enemy gets a huge advantage against your ally? is it worth ganking a lane where your ally is 0-3?

i usually ignore the cry for help, focus other lanes and keep an eye for that 3-0 laner to see if he's overextending enough so i can gank if him (half hp and no potions, its hard to keep an eye for their flash, since in silver people doesnt warn when enemy burned summs)

Man

Gank if you can get a kill.if not,i wouldn;t bother. I am a scumbag..if i see a really bad player on my team.I go to his lane and try to soak up everything:).In my eyes,he is useless,and will be useless all game long.The best chance we have to win the game is me.This means i need to still be ahead and get my items A good player will understand this

People need to learn how to get carried;)

Sire HippingtonNov 21, 20152 votes

A good jungler will take advantage of this,knowing where the enemy jungler is(warding the jungler,counterjungle,dragon,gank other lanes)

this is the important part for every jungle reading this. if you don't apply gank-pressure somewhere, you atleast should counterjungle AND WARD THEIR JUNGLE especially with no stealthwards/trinket nerfs, it's nearly impossible for a sololaner to provide sufficient vision on his own. And havein 1 ward in the tri is NOT suficiant. where are atleast 3 paths for ganking, on some junglers even more, so to be 'save', you would need 3 wars, but with current trinkets+pink, 2 is a maximum. So the only way to really be save is keeping track of the enemie jungler, if you know in which half of the map he is, you know how far you can push, and for that you need deep wards.

DengedenNov 21, 20152 votes

Dear jungler, stop trying to kill the enemy jungler. No, I am not facechecking to ward their red/blue. No, you shouldn't rely on the jungler being too inept to ward the river.

KatCraftNov 21, 20152 votes

Some junglers though do not realise it's their role to apply and relieve pressure and afk farm camps the entire early game. Especially devourer junglers.

Athenes LuluNov 21, 20152 votes

RIP English and formatting, but this is more like something every player should know.

Wait, am I supposed to ask you a question? Hm... I know!

What should you do if all lanes are failing and are having trouble trying to catch up? As a jungler, what should you do?

What about early invades such as times where a random enemy Lee popped out while you're taking blue? If you couldn't get help, gave first blood to the enemy jungler, and is now sorta behind, what should you do? How about at that same time, your laners are begging for your help?

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20151 votes

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RIP English and formatting, but this is more like something every player should know.

Wait, am I supposed to ask you a question? Hm... I know!

What should you do if all lanes are failing and are having trouble trying to catch up? As a jungler, what should you do?

What about early invades such as times where a random enemy Lee popped out while you're taking blue? If you couldn't get help, gave first blood to the enemy jungler, and is now sorta behind, what should you do? How about at that same time, your laners are begging for your help?

English is not my first language..like wtf..if i ask you to speak my language can you do that?Or can you speak french on my english level?

Secondly..if your lanes are behind,all of them..well,if they whant to win,it is possible..you just need to play for yourself..i had games where we were behind,like really behind(15 k atleast) and they made a crucial mistake, getting caught 1 by 1 by my rengar while minions where pushing mid..we had the wave and could end out of that;)

early invades you should ward so you see him coming.Generally i do golems->chickens->red..and i ward my red,,if he comes ,he will try to steal the red(he is assuming started blue-easy FB for you).But,if you gave up FB..well,you need to avoid him untill you get some items;)..try to avoid him and try to snowball of a winning lane.Usually when i am behind..i just go to a lane, gank it..and push the wave(i try to take every CS possible(this is not taxing-it's called "denying the enemy farm and xp")

And you can;t win all games..

Also,every game is situational. it depends on team comps, the players, their champs etc:)

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Nov 21, 20151 votes

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English is not my first language..like wtf..if i ask you to speak my language can you do that?Or can you speak french on my english level?

Secondly..if your lanes are behind,all of them..well,if they whant to win,it is possible..you just need to play for yourself..i had games where we were behind,like really behind(15 k atleast) and they made a crucial mistake, getting caught 1 by 1 by my rengar while minions where pushing mid..we had the wave and could end out of that;)

early invades you should ward so you see him coming.Generally i do golems->chickens->red..and i ward my red,,if he comes ,he will try to steal the red(he is assuming started blue-easy FB for you).But,if you gave up FB..well,you need to avoid him untill you get some items;)..try to avoid him and try to snowball of a winning lane.Usually when i am behind..i just go to a lane, gank it..and push the wave(i try to take every CS possible(this is not taxing-it's called "denying the enemy farm and xp")

And you can;t win all games..

Also,every game is situational. it depends on team comps, the players, their champs etc:)

I can't agree with your first paragraph even though English is my third language.

It's courtesy to try to make your messages as comprehensive as possible. While I do understand avoiding grammatical or spelling mistakes is difficult for a language learner, obeying the writing format should be a very basic rule.

Press space bar after every symbol. Capitalize the first letter of a sentence. Do not confuse ";" with "'". Finish a complete sentence with a ".".

Not only they help readers to follow your post, they also demonstrate your attitude.

I always hate people making excuses like "it's not my first language, stfu." when their mistakes are pointed out. We should feel grateful if others proofread your writing to help you improve, instead of taking it as an insult like you did. Respect.

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20151 votes

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I can't agree with your first paragraph even though English is my third language.

It's courtesy to try to make your messages as comprehensive as possible. While I do understand avoiding grammatical or spelling mistakes is difficult for a language learner, obeying the writing format should be a very basic rule.

Press space bar after every symbol. Capitalize the first letter of a sentence. Do not confuse ";" with "'". Finish a complete sentence with a ".".

Not only they help readers to follow your post, they also demonstrate your attitude.

I always hate people making excuses like "it's not my first language, stfu." when their mistakes are pointed out. We should feel grateful if others proofread your writing to help you improve, instead of taking it as an insult like you did. Respect.

First of all I don;t think i am making huge grammatical spelling errors. Secondly i am writing from my phone and i am not that used to it to be honest. that's why i don't space out the words:|. For a second language,i speak it really decently. I guess it's my bad that i use "..." instead of "." .It's something i got used to it and it's hard to get rid of this habbit;). Do not mistake me for an idiot.I do not confuse ";" with " ' " .Also,in my eyes,the text is not hard to read since my grammar is okay.But feel free to comment at what you whant:). And the fact that you see my explanation as an excuse, regarding my "spelling",it's kind of bad manners.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Nov 21, 20151 votes

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First of all I don;t think i am making huge grammatical spelling errors. Secondly i am writing from my phone and i am not that used to it to be honest. that's why i don't space out the words:|. For a second language,i speak it really decently. I guess it's my bad that i use "..." instead of "." .It's something i got used to it and it's hard to get rid of this habbit;). Do not mistake me for an idiot.I do not confuse ";" with " ' " .Also,in my eyes,the text is not hard to read since my grammar is okay.But feel free to comment at what you whant:). And the fact that you see my explanation as an excuse, regarding my "spelling",it's kind of bad manners.

As I said at the very beginning, "While I do understand avoiding grammatical or spelling mistakes is difficult for a language learner, obeying the writing format should be a very basic rule."

Decent or not, you did not follow a comprehensive writing style.

Writing style is not really something heavily influenced by your proficiency, since even native speakers could write like a mess if they do not really care. You are trying to explain why you made those mistakes, but not showing an attitude that you accept corrections from other people. You attempted to validate all your mistakes by the fact that English was your second language. That was why I had called it an excuse because the real reason was you did not bother much.

I did not even say your grammar was bad, not even close. However, it was your writing style that showed your lackadaisical manner even when it was challenged expressively.

Anyway, I hope you do understand mistakes are mistakes. They should be corrected. Seeing the same repeated mistakes in your last reply, I am convinced that you don't seem to care though.

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20151 votes

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As I said at the very beginning, "While I do understand avoiding grammatical or spelling mistakes is difficult for a language learner, obeying the writing format should be a very basic rule."

Decent or not, you did not follow a comprehensive writing style.

Writing style is not really something heavily influenced by your proficiency, since even native speakers could write like a mess if they do not really care. You are trying to explain why you made those mistakes, but not showing an attitude that you accept corrections from other people. You attempted to validate all your mistakes by the fact that English was your second language. That was why I had called it an excuse because the real reason was you did not bother much.

I did not even say your grammar was bad, not even close. However, it was your writing style that showed your lackadaisical manner even when it was challenged expressively.

Anyway, I hope you do understand mistakes are mistakes. They should be corrected. Seeing the same repeated mistakes in your last reply, I am convinced that you don't seem to care though.

I do understand your point view.I do have a messy writing style and i can understand this can bother.I honestly didn't think people will actualy be interested in my post:P..that's why i didn;t bother with the spacing.Also,on the internet there are different ways to "write", mine is a bit messy:). But this doesn;t excuse you from not being very civil about it.I mean,the fact that you said that after each sentence i have to put "." or when i start a new phrase i need to start with a capital letter.Let's be honest here,there is one fact that bothers and that is the spacing.As i said i write from my phone and i just got it,i need to get used to it:)This is not an excuse but I do feel insulted by your attitude towards me. This is a thread that concerns jungle mains.I fail to see your question towards the jungle.Did you come here trying to "teach" me a lesson? If so, i don;t like your remarks at all:).If you don;t like the way i write than feel free and don;t read my thread. Simple as that;)

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Nov 21, 20151 votes

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I do understand your point view.I do have a messy writing style and i can understand this can bother.I honestly didn't think people will actualy be interested in my post:P..that's why i didn;t bother with the spacing.Also,on the internet there are different ways to "write", mine is a bit messy:). But this doesn;t excuse you from not being very civil about it.I mean,the fact that you said that after each sentence i have to put "." or when i start a new phrase i need to start with a capital letter.Let's be honest here,there is one fact that bothers and that is the spacing.As i said i write from my phone and i just got it,i need to get used to it:)This is not an excuse but I do feel insulted by your attitude towards me. This is a thread that concerns jungle mains.I fail to see your question towards the jungle.Did you come here trying to "teach" me a lesson? If so, i don;t like your remarks at all:).If you don;t like the way i write than feel free and don;t read my thread. Simple as that;)

It is okay if you cannot accept reasonable advice, though I really see no reason not to correct improper writing format at all, except some minor hesitation in the beginning.

Just remember do not be proud of your messy writing. And be prepared that you will still receive comments similar to what I mentioned in the future. You can't really improve if you treat every critic in a hostile manner. Feel free to stay the same if it won't bother you anyway. I hope you don't take it as an insult since I have nothing personal towards you.

Cheers and have a nice day.

GamblerOfLivesNov 21, 20151 votes

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It is okay if you cannot accept reasonable advice, though I really see no reason not to correct improper writing format at all, except some minor hesitation in the beginning.

Just remember do not be proud of your messy writing. And be prepared that you will still receive comments similar to what I mentioned in the future. You can't really improve if you treat every critic in a hostile manner. Feel free to stay the same if it won't bother you anyway. I hope you don't take it as an insult since I have nothing personal towards you.

Cheers and have a nice day.

I don't take criticism lightly, especially when it's made in such a manner. Thx for your input and have a nice day

If you have any questions regarding the jungle role,feel free to ask me.

Have a nice day otherwise;)