So... is Cleanse worth like... 300 gold?

Evil Bisex Plant·Feb 19, 2018·1 votes·669 views

Because compared to it loses 35 MR; has 25 and costs 450g, which means MR on QSS is worth 1.4× that = 630g, that leaves the QSS active at 670g (with 1 300g cost).

QSS cancels Suppression (not sure if Airborne as I never play AD champs), but Cleanse cancels Ignite/Exhaust so I'm gonna not take away nor add any gold value to either of those.

Which leaves us with the last factor which are the cooldowns; QSS having 90s and Cleanse having 210s CD - which makes Cleanse's CD 2.3× QSS's, which makes it's worth 291g.

Ladies and gentleman, "super powerful high impact spell", the only option for APs that need to sacrifice an offensive slot for that, compared to the easiest item to obtain for ADCs that's also allowed to be built further into a decent offensive item (no slot wasted) with even better active.

4 Comments

Who Fed RuFeb 19, 20181 votes

If you decide to go item 3140 early you'll lose a lot of damage.

You don't take summoner 1 for mid/late game, you'll take it if it helps you in your matchup without having to delay your power spikes by 1300 Gold.

Evil Bisex PlantFeb 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oly449j1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-19T19:29:23.411+0000)

If you decide to go early you'll lose a lot of damage.

You don't take for mid/late game, you'll take it if it helps you in your matchup without having to delay your power spikes by 1300 Gold.

Implying you don't lose damage on summoner 14 because you take instead - wanna do math on that?

70 AD = 2 450g -> that's 1 150 gold more than QSS - which you can btw still get along with a little lower amount of AD (~30) 70 TD ( summoner 14 at lvl 1 and goes higher with each level) = Idk, but let's assume it's the same as AD (even tho it's definitely alot more): You are trading 2 450g worth of damage for a 291g worth spell = 2 159g wasted - btw, this is still way less than the actual amount because we counted it as AD. And on the lvl 1, it's way more with each level again.

Well that's worth.

Who Fed RuFeb 19, 20181 votes

Dude you can't just compare Summoner Spells to items cause that's generally already 2 completely different things.

Let's just say you play against TwistedFate on lane. What would suit you better? Bonus damage or the ability to completely make his only hard cc useless?

Comparing summoner spells to items won't work because there are a lot more factors to take into account. Even "gold value" is just something made up by lolwiki. It's just the items stats compared to what the base items of the stat give. But the actual value of an item isn't it's gold value only, it always depends on situation, state of the game and many more things.

Evil Bisex PlantFeb 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oly449j1,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-19T19:57:23.551+0000)

Dude you can't just compare Summoner Spells to items cause that's generally already 2 completely different things.

Let's just say you play against on lane. What would suit you better? Bonus damage or the ability to completely make his only hard cc useless?

Comparing summoner spells to items won't work because there are a lot more factors to take into account. Even "gold value" is just something made up by lolwiki. It's just the items stats compared to what the base items of the stat give. But the actual value of an item isn't it's gold value only, it always depends on situation, state of the game and many more things.

I think you got it wrong. What I'm saying is that an item, especially one compatible with only few champions, should not be stronger than a summoner spell. Period. It just doesn't make sense. The gold value is basically just a proof how infinately better it is.