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Make Sivir's Auto Attack Range 525!!!!

Icy Witch·12/6/2014, 8:45:45 PM·45 votes·3,699 views

Hi, I'm "The Mighty Sivir" and yes, I am slightly biased towards Sivir buffs, but I also play this champion more than a lot of people and am able to recognize core flaws. Sivir is almost perfect to me. I love her balance and overall concept except for this one thing... Her range. If Sivir's range were 525 it would make her more reliable into the late game. The problem I find is that Sivir's early to mid game goes as planned, but in the late game you're forced to be a split pusher, which makes her ult so much more useless because you don't get to use it with your team. If Sivir were to go into a 5v5, she's already at a disadvantage for naturally being out of position because of her range. 525 range is still short in range (i.e. Graves), but it is not suicide. I think this would be a reasonable change and would allow for more diversity in Sivir's playstyle. I'm not saying she needs more damage, or a buff in any other way for that matter. Just 25 more range and I think she'd be in a good spot.

Plz rito.

50 Comments

Kowe The Ewok12/6/2014, 8:52:49 PM14 votes

I'ld rather like to see her Q's CD to scale with level to be able to use Q more frequently in teamfights. (Which basically is a way of granting her range)

(Still gave you a +1 since I'ld love to see some attention for non-hyper carries)

Anidan12/6/2014, 9:01:24 PM7 votes

I agree. Buff up Sivir's range. Vayne, one of my favorite carries, gets 550 meaning she is innately safer late game than Sivir. Along with getting more short-term positioning tools, and a self-peel/CC in the form of condemn. Granted, Vayne also doesn't get the monster wave-clear Sivir does, but that is beside the point.

Sivir could use the buff, it certainly wouldn't break her.

Nightbloo12/7/2014, 2:12:15 AM3 votes

Sivir main here. Ive been playing her since s1. i got from b5 to plat with mainly sivir. Her range has its moments where u wish it was longer, but she already has so much as far as gap close without a gap closer. Also with a spellshield why would u want more range. Think about this. If her range was longer. It would still require you to get into range of their spells to absorb them. So extra range may not really help that much.

Not to mention she has an auto reset. That in itself helps out with making up with the tiny bit of time you lose moving the extra 2 steps it takes to get into range. Sure they get one auto and are in the windup for their second, but you are going to get 2 off instantly. Couple that with your q. That is a ton of damage fast.

Its not like sivir has nothing, and needs something to make her better. She is amazing, and has been forever. It just takes the right hands and right mindset to play her properly. Lane goes as follows. Push like its all you can do. Then while they waste mana on the minions that are eating their turret. Jump up and w creeps to do some damage. E to block the predictable spell coming for creeps, and profit. Keep lane warded. Help the support for god sakes. Then laugh when the jungle tries to camp bot, but again spellshield and the gank is negated unless you dont have proper vision. I cant count how many lee sin players have came into lane. Flash q to get it shielded. Then just turn around and go back into the jungle.

I also miss old BT for sivir. Stacking 6 and laughing as your q does over 2k to someone who is isolated is nice. Tank or not lol.

IwfiKe3qjM12/6/2014, 9:35:19 PM3 votes

I hope for this:

  1. Q CD reduced each rank
  2. E Spell shield duration increased from 1.5 to 2... (it's hard to timing when run out of mana to restore)
MrSc0tty12/7/2014, 12:17:07 AM3 votes

I dunno I feel like Sivir should get more of a "high skill" buff than a straight "here we noticed your range is short so let's make it longer."

Maybe I'm just a biased melee lover but I think it's okay to have a champ who's better at fighting other ranged carries than melee champs (as her ult allows her to close the gap on long ranged enemies and lock them down.

If I were to buff Sivir, it'd be something like -X% of Q's cooldown refunded for every enemy champion you hit twice with the skill.

Anonagon12/6/2014, 9:07:30 PM3 votes

I disagree that she needs a range buff. The main reason I disagree is that Sivir is somewhat defined by the fact that her range and extended presence comes from her abilities. She uses Q and W to effect targets over a wide area, and with the speed from her passive and her R, she isn't really hindered in any way by her low AA range. I don't believe Sivir actually needs buffs. She may be more situational than other picks, but her strength is there. If she were to get buffs, I'd much rather emphasize the damage of her Q in lategame teamfights with a lower CD/higher ratio.

jade harley BARK12/7/2014, 2:24:43 AM3 votes

Quinn has a larger range than Sivir. You know there's an issue when a bruiser/fighter has a larger range than an actual adc

Yxion the Yordle12/6/2014, 8:49:59 PM2 votes

I agree.

Gorgannan12/6/2014, 9:57:39 PM2 votes

You want to buff her range, you'll need to giv eup her ult.

Pythagorean Thm12/7/2014, 2:29:44 AM1 votes

Yeah okay let's remove the weaknesses and add to the strengths of a champion that's extremely annoying to lane against. Sounds like a great idea. (I know OP only wanted a range buff, but some other comments wanted more)

As for the range buff... I still say no! She has a passive that gives her really good kiting, a spell shield that costs nothing and gives her mana, an extremely long range poke ability, and an ultimate that's a better talisman. She's safe as all fk. She needs to have moments of vulnerability. Lucian also has 500 range because of his safety.

Oh and did yall forget about the extra attack speed she gets when ricochet is active after level 6? I don't know what the community considers the definition of a "hypercarry" to be, but a ranged ad champion with attack speed and movement speed steroids can definitely carry hard.

The5lacker12/7/2014, 4:57:37 AM1 votes

Ricochet functionally gives her infinite attack range so long as a minion wave is nearby.

If you want to buff one aspect of her harassment like this, you have to pay for it in something else. Which...come on. Do you really need INFINITE bounces on that fucker? Wouldn't you rather have, like, 2 bounces that move faster than Soraka Bananas?

Big Nasty Mèat12/7/2014, 6:45:05 AM1 votes

Mmm...Sivir is fine. She already has a +50% win rate and is on the cusp of becoming a primary competitive pick again. She's strong in every phase of the game and has unmatched wave control from the ADC position. To say she needs any kind of buff is kind of ridiculous.

Brenticus1212/7/2014, 7:28:10 AM1 votes

I really don't think an AA range buff would be the correct way to buff Sivir. She's the only ADC outside of Graves and Lucian that I enjoy playing but I don't play ADC or most of the ADC champs a whole lot, so don't take my suggestions too seriously, but I believe giving her a lower CD on her Q and maybe a buff to her R passive would be a good start to keep her relevant. She has a lot of gap closers, peel and ranged harass + wave clear so the relatively short AA range is justified.

Knight SoIaire 12/7/2014, 11:47:03 AM1 votes

If i recall correctly there is a couple of reasons why sivir was nerfed and wont get buffed back

  • fast engage or rush the carry comps rewolving around sivir were actualy usefull so riot gutted her

As an adc she is still fine besides the nerf on her spinning blade (they added the range to a slow skill shot that has to return, now you will never get half of your dmg, at least thats what i noticed when i played her after that nerf) which made it medicorely reliable.

You know she got nerfed because riot wanted more "strategic diversity" like lucian and lee sin in every game just because they get to be the jack's of all trades

But dont blame riot, blame the lcs because they call the shots on whats getting nerfed buffed or stays untouched (whatever they get their hands on is what riot will care about, whatever can start a mixer in champion pool has to be gutted, any stuff that could take the place of the current pool without realy changing much can be buffed to make it look like we have "diversity")

Niqhtmare x12/8/2014, 12:07:45 AM1 votes

Hmm...I disagree with you there. I think her late game is amazing right now with 500 aa range. (probably the best late game adc right now)

Grimwohl12/8/2014, 1:21:35 PM1 votes

Or better yet-revert her to pre rework when she was actuallly strong.