If your going to nerf his Q, give him some love.

Juggernaut628··1 votes·792 views

Probably my third time making a discussion about new Fizz, my main problem is that you nerfed his Q so hard that at 500+ AP and 5 items it does no damage. I understand you want him to rely on ult more than Q but making his Q this weak makes Fizz so much less fun to play. As I played a few games with Fizz, I noticed that mainly he just simply does a lot less damage. When I play Fizz mid, I try to get a first blood at level 2-4. Having my Q do decent damage was a big part of that. While his W is still fine as it is on for quite a while and the grievous wounds made no sense (I still would like them applied to jungle monsters, maybe only if you have smite :) ),but his Q does so little damage before Lich Bane and 3-5 AP items that it is now more useless than his W. Generally now I wait until level 6 and ult instantly and kill them, but since he is very tough to lane as since all ranged champs can just poke him with ease, you could at least give him even temporary buffs for his pre-six stages. I've seen even with new Fizz that he is only good if he gets fed early and his ult allows such, so you may want to consider nerfing his ult bonus damage if you choose to buff another one of his abilities as his ult is now overpowered for him doing low damage.

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Abyssphere3 votes

You fail to understand that assassins aren't MEANT to get first blood. It is almost universal that assassins have poor laning phases and then spike at level six - you see this with Talon, Katarina, Akali, etc. Fizz's Q and E having so much power that he could all-in with just those and get a kill is exactly the reason for the nerfs. Riot likes assassins to actually need their ultimates.

Kuroi861 votes

Evelynn Khazix Leblanc Shaco :(

Juggernaut6282 votes

Also, conveniently half the assassins you didn't list still get first blood very easily:Ahri Diana,also:Katarina unlike what you said,Leblanc Nidalee Orianna Yasuo Veigar all champs who can get first blood easily without ult. And a lot of them do still have major affects on teamfights. Nidalee doesnt even have a legit ult anyway.

It is just that some are generally not assassins, which says that mages are better for killing than assassins.

Zamiake2 votes

pffffff hope people stop playing him all togather so its safe to free up that ban slot. I hate fizz with a passion. Also the buff to his ult needs a nerf. NO EXTREME DAMAGE BUFFS PLZ. Freaking 20% more damage on ther person you ult is too much. Fizz can literally destroy a tank instantly by buying a lich bane throwing his ult on the tank then spamming everything on him. It is trash

Mat7itan1 votes

At least they gave him the 20% additional damage they took from ahri. So overall his kit does more single target damage.

Juggernaut6281 votes

Well

the problem is now he can't do anything in teamfights. It isn't easy to land the ult anyway and then u have to jump in, kill someone, and jump out and hope ur team knows what they are doing. Ahri can have her 20% damage back. She needs it (If they nerf her Q's high true damage at level 4)

Ligerzz1 votes

You could literally chunk a ton of health without his ult. Lichbane + another damage item could literally take 3/4 of an enemies health with W + Q + E.

Meep Man1 votes

The ability to kill a key target and make the fight a 4v5 is good enough for team fights.

Juggernaut6281 votes

Well honestly it is annoying as his ult you don't even get to level 6 so you do no damage until level 6. Ahri's charm she could get at level 1. It also was a lot lower cooldown.

Juggernaut6281 votes

Except while what all of you say is true, my teams always manage to feed the enemy bot lane and that is a duo lane and so just from there a fed cc and a fed adc make focusing one over the other pointless. So you may all be right, but with my recent League experience, I need that ability to have an affect on fights.

Juggernaut6281 votes

You realize then he can't ult anybody else and with Q reductions, this leave him vulnerable and useless. Also, nerfing his ult would mean buffs so I'd be happy about such a thing happening.

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