Vayne OP?

Juggernaut628·Dec 7, 2015·9 votes·1,473 views

I'm curious as to what you think about Vayne because whenever I see one they just get IE into Shiv into Firecannon and then they just melt everyone with or without her W. You wanted her to be all about her W and now she is exactly the same except with an even stronger W. Do you think that something's off with the items, do you think that Vayne is once again overpowered or do you think that I'm crazy? For someone who has so many attack steroids it seems like a bit overkill for her W to have no counterplay but be so strong.

23 Comments

MeserionDec 7, 20152 votes

I think this post is a Duplicate, I've seen that exact name elsewhere. Seriously though, is she OP? Not totally, I would say elements of her kit border on being "OP", like her silver bolts; but she herself is no more OP than all the other ADCs in the game. Food for thought...

FYI, I think ADCs are OP in general because of preseason items and Masteries, and the apparent nerfs to other roles.

Juggernaut628Dec 7, 20151 votes

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I think this post is a Duplicate, I've seen that exact name elsewhere. Seriously though, is she OP? Not totally, I would say elements of her kit border on being "OP", like her silver bolts; but she herself is no more OP than all the other ADCs in the game. Food for thought...

FYI, I think ADCs are OP in general because of preseason items and Masteries, and the apparent nerfs to other roles.

I've hated ADCs since I started the game mid-season 4. They're all too strong to be healthy in their own right. But Vayne has always been strong and then Riot buffed one of the two abilities she had that together make her extremely toxic (In my opinion, W and R, but some may say Q and W or Q and R.) Riot explicitly said "Vayne must succeed with Silver Bolts" and now her W is just the topping to an already strong kit. Back in Season 5 it was either her Q or W that would do a lot of damage, but now it's just her plain out autos with a 12% max health true damage burst with no cooldown between champions and an invisibility on a 2 second cooldown that lets her go invisible for 1.5 seconds and gain even more damage.

Vayne needs tuning SOMEWHERE because right now she is the best ADC by far above the rest.

SpoofghoulDec 7, 20152 votes

All Vayne really needs is attackspeed

Soraka helps her through lane and shiv fixes waveclear

Hayaishi2Dec 7, 20151 votes

She's stupidly OP at the moment, because of her ult.

Sneakyy XDDec 7, 20151 votes

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once again overpowered

There has not been a single second where Vayne hasn't been OP.

Lady HammerlockDec 8, 20151 votes

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There has not been a single second where Vayne hasn't been OP.

there was somewhere in S4 she was quite weak

blackcat1300Dec 7, 20151 votes

her tank melting is a bit to much right now.

GetMariahCarriedDec 7, 20151 votes

She's OP to fight against IF you have a team that says "it's okay, our Nasus will carry lategame". Otherwise, she's not a problem. I'm sorry, I'm having a fit with Nasus players. It's like they forget there are 9 other people in a game.

Basically, this principle applies to anyone who forgets what Vayne does lategame... which is, annoyingly, a lot of people. As long as people don't saunter into lategame with high hopes against a vayne with a huge roster of support/peel allies, you should be good. I've seen plenty of games where her potential develops rather weakly due to fairly common early-game woes.

Juggernaut628Dec 7, 20155 votes

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She's OP to fight IF you have a team that says "it's okay, Nasus will carry lategame". Otherwise, she's not a problem. I'm sorry, I'm having a fit with Nasus players. It's like they forget there are 9 other people in a game.

Basically, this principle applies to anyone who forgets what Vayne does lategame... which is, annoyingly, a lot of people. As long as people don't saunter into lategame with high hopes against a vayne with a huge roster of support/peel allies, you should be good.

I know, I responded to your Nasus post twice.

The biggest problem is that Vayne has so many steroids that her early game is once again too strong to correlate with her dominate late game.

QTBTBDec 8, 20151 votes

I actually played a nasus adc last game, and outplayed a vayne 1v1 semi-early in the game for the kill. I also helped my team, and built hardcore tank in terms of armor against vayne, but it didn't matter. She melted me and everyone else in seconds later in the game. I was fed, and had fed teammates too. She needs a rework, there's no reason a champion should be that strong given even playing field. She melted me, fed yi, fed riven, and list goes on, it was just a complete slaughter. She did 38.5k true damage, and 83.1k total damage to champs...

DREADN0UGHTDec 7, 20151 votes

She is op. No denying it. W health chunks + Statik and Firecannon is just unmatchable power. A skilled vayne player can eazily take multiple enemies out on his own.

ApexInTheCircleDec 8, 20151 votes

Look I'm okay with True damage, I'm okay with mobility, I'm okay with CC, and I'm okay with peel. But Vayne has all of these and it makes her way too slippery to make her balanced. She is the stickiest ADC in the game, she has her own form of self peel that is extremely effective as both a disengage and engage, and ontop of all of this she is capable of killing anyone and everyone in the game with equal ease. It doesn't help that she counters assassins aswell, you know...Those things that are supposed to kill ADC and keep them in check.

The fact of the matter is, she's too good at everything. Sure her wave clear is garbage but the rest of her abilities cover her weakness and they do a damn good job of making lane hard for most ADC. I would be okay with her true damage if it wasn't backed by such a monstrous kit.

LordFluffyJrDec 8, 20151 votes

The entire role is AD CARRY, these champions are meant to carry. In my opinion Vayne is what an ADC should be. Sure her W at max rankd is a tad insane. Look at Caitlyn, Vayne, and Corki. These champions CARRY games. I think they need to focus less on making some weaker. They should do things like make Ashe and Kog'maw mobile.

Thats just me!

God of AnimeDec 8, 20151 votes

played vayne to diamond, shes op in the right hands. otherwise its a free bot lane for the other team

KingopantsDec 8, 20151 votes

She has been op for a long time now but you know Riot is gonna do jack all about it.

Dunkrius2gDec 8, 20151 votes

Riot: So it seems like we were supposed to tell you that we nerfed Vayne's base ad and her growth but don't worry, we added 1 mastery to compensate all that aka Fervor.

Just Blame JennyDec 8, 20151 votes

Pretty powerful, yes. I want to say better than most ADCs at straight up fighting (though many have her beat on siege ability). The fact that she's so often badly played is one of the few things keeping her in check (in lower elos).

Mind, a good Vayne is a nightmare. Hard CC and true sight are typically sufficient for dealing with her, but the latter's been more difficult to get as of preseason.

VaynetyDec 8, 20151 votes

I don't think her stats are unbalanced at all. She does however have a realy good kit. (Almost as good as Riven's kit) because of that fact vayne will be op in the hands of someone with good mechanics. But will just be meh until late game if the player has bad mechanics. The prob is people don't focus her or at least not at the rite times. Her w takes 3 hits b4 it hurts and her ult dosnt last long

Shiv rapid canon and ie are going to hurt no matter what adc has them.

GuiltyGeckoDec 8, 20151 votes

Vayne is just really safe for what she does. She can dodge, knock-back, duel, and go invisible. If you don't have a champ on your team that can dive her, she'll just eat your frontline faster than your ADC can eat her's.

If you don't pick against her in champ select, the ingame counterplay comes down to "hope she's bad."

QTBTBDec 8, 20151 votes

Yeah I just made a thread about her, someone immediately downvoted and said she was fine...guessing they possibly main a vayne, and don't want to consider her ever getting nerfed. Her true damage is broken, and she can melt anyone, regardless of build in a few seconds.

LovelleDec 8, 20151 votes

IE? I'm commonly seeing Vayne start killing people as soon as she finishes item 3094 , after which her builds seem to vary, but she still can kill pretty much anything nonetheless. If you actually let her get IE having fun winning that game.

vivjan30Dec 8, 20151 votes

You just need to try to shut her down and deny her farm early. The problem is when mid/late game rolls around, she becomes opressive with her true damage and her ult can be annoying too.

TheOvermindDec 8, 20151 votes

So apparently rito thinks insane damage output ( note that no other carry , let alone hypercarry , has the ability to constantly spit out huge amounts of true damage like vayne does) and amazing self peel slipperiness and mobilty co exist very well and balanced together in a kit. And it's not just vayne but other late game hypercarries like jax or trynd can just annihilate when they get their 2 core items, thing is top lane is much much more snowballs than botlane. So when the jax loses first blood to the riven he can kiss his farm and late game goodbye, while vayne can always farm safely with her support, ( in general ranged champions can farm much safer ) shiv and canon passives r getting nerfed so no more vayne tank one shots , but vayne is strong eve without those items . Needs some big nerfs not like those fake -5 ad nerfs we saw in 5.19.