"Yep. Enemies will see your buff respawns no matter what. Prepare for invades accordingly"

Salron·Apr 20, 2016·183 votes·7,399 views

Yeah prepare to uninstall this game right?

153 Comments

LankPantsApr 20, 201662 votes

It lets me know that Lee Sin's going to try to fuck me so I can at least lube up.

JmmanApr 20, 201624 votes

I'm really confused as a fiddle main now. They screw all the mana regen items over. Fiddle uses ALOT of mana with his spells. So you can't go mind really because you can't really farm with fiddle (the way his spells are and his auto does no damage and really slow). No regen means about 2 fears 2 drain and 3 bats then your oom. Don't get me started on MAW

so jungle agrrr wait now everyone can see you blue buff (have to use to farm in jungle due to heavy mana cost). If you jungle fiddle when its up the whole enemy team will run to it.

Looking at the items they lowered the Raw AP. No more CD/Mana regen (what fiddle needs early game)

SO....

are fiddle spells gaining a high ap ratio or we increasing any damage? Lowering mana cost?

Cause the way I see it now. I can use only 1/3 to 1/2 the spells mid as I could. Jungle is not going to be an option due to mana regen, everyone seeing blue, and fiddle weak early jungle. Heck ill be oom 2 or 3 packs without blue. add the AS jungle item, it will cause an hit on effect jungle meta now.

Support has been screwed by the adc power and tank support dives.

everyone might not agree with everything I said but I think they will agree I just see all nerfs to may guy while other champs just roll there faces on their keyboards to win. Heck with the new que system the premade have TOTALLY changed the balance of some class. In solo que at least more champ we played due to the non premades.

I told you all on the boards after you hired Ghost Crab from WOW that whoever is make the top decision is a moron/clueless and is just going to squeeze all the money they can out of the game before the sink it.

Of course no blue will response be fiddle is not Zed. If you aren't going to balance the old champs, then just remove them from the game.

OelykApr 20, 20163 votes

I don't know much about fiddle, but the one thing I do know is that no one has enough damage at pre six so solo fids with his w alone.

What about the jungle mana item, that gives huge mana regen in jungle?

I agree lane fidds is screwed however, he's not gonna do much.

WoonStruckApr 20, 20168 votes

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I don't know much about fiddle, but the one thing I do know is that no one has enough damage at pre six so solo fids with his w alone.

What about the jungle mana item, that gives huge mana regen in jungle?

I agree lane fidds is screwed however, he's not gonna do much.

I could easily bully a Fid out with Skarner now. Absolutely no problem.

jama655Apr 20, 20164 votes

i could do it with nocturne pre 6

ImmortalBloodCYApr 20, 20163 votes

I could do it with a Mordekaiser at 6+

DarkwindApr 20, 20162 votes

All you need is some CC. Walk up, force him away from the creep camp. If he tries to W you to fight, cc him out of it. Gg he loses.

QjTHqo3RTqApr 20, 20165 votes

Aatrox Diana Chogath Braum Irelia Khazix Warwick Skarner

"We bear Udyr greetings"

DroogzyApr 20, 201620 votes

The only thing this really does is lower the skill ceiling of jungling, good junglers already knew how to track Red Blue buff spawn times even if they never saw it taken.

Not much will change if this implemented.

SalronApr 20, 201616 votes

This means that laners who don't pay much attention to timers will know exactly when buffs are up just from the map

DroogzyApr 20, 201612 votes

I see it as a double edge sword, it's sort of like Kindred marks, you can use it to bait other team into trying to take it, then collapse in for the kill.

I don't see laners looking to make an attempt to take it though honestly, it's extremely obvious when you leave lane to try and take the buffs, and once you do, that danger/missing ping goes down onto the buff and you'll be collapsed on.

Edit: I should clarify, I don't think laners will be looking to steal buffs more then they normally do.

Although I will mention, the more I think about it, the more it will impact jungling even if you're not stealing other team's buff, it lets you know what side the other team's jungler starts, it lets you know where the jungler is pretty much every 5 minutes which I'm not crazy about, knowledge is power when you're jungling and this makes it a lot easier to obtain that knowledge.

SpoofghoulApr 20, 20165 votes

Yes this will give us perfect information on the enemy jungler

I can so see a smite midlane meta happening, you do get combat summoner every 60 seconds

i mean pretty usefull to reduce zeds damage by 20% no?

and you just smite their wolves when its conveniant, and you can easy take scuttlers. take left scuttle smite their wolf ward right side, have vision of buffs too and voila perfect vision/information safety net

Malzahar summoner 11 summoner 4 incoming

RogueWillApr 20, 20162 votes

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The only thing this really does is lower the skill ceiling of jungling, good junglers already knew how to track Red Blue buff spawn times even if they never saw it taken.

Not much will change if this implemented.

and that's s a problem. There will be no way to differentiate a good jungler form an average one. Is becoming more and more of a mechanic role and not the old "who is better at gather intel"role

morris1Apr 20, 201619 votes

Shaco mains cackling in the distance.

HeadHonchkrowApr 21, 20162 votes

cackling

Shac NorrisApr 21, 20162 votes

Cackling intensifies

Pierce The VealApr 20, 201615 votes

I have always hated Riot's jungle policies. We were perfectly fine when jungle items didn't exist but then they came in "hurrdurr must buy jungle items to deal with jungle." And now they're just making it worse.

XeroKimoApr 20, 201611 votes

I kind of like the jungle items tho, back in season 2 the only jungle item was basically maldreds razor/ wriggles lantern which had a 33% chance to deal 300?/500 dmg depending on the item on minions and monsters, the item was so stat efficient that some ad top laners could also get wriggles, but the thing was, that was it, no ap jungle items, no tank jungle items, so there was no stat efficient jungle items for them in the past making AA junglers the more dominant junglers

Zone of EndlessApr 20, 201613 votes

Riot should just remove fog of war so the complications of warding isn't in the game anymore. Help bring more casuals to ranked. /s

KeevalroyApr 20, 201616 votes

Don't! They might be watching this thread - don't give them ideas!

VeraskaApr 20, 201611 votes

More brawls in the jungle my favorite part of the game tbh and it might give my teammates more incentive to derail whatever farm junglers were playing against plan to afk farm until he can 1v5

Spanked eGirlApr 20, 201610 votes

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More brawls in the jungle my favorite part of the game tbh and it might give my teammates more incentive to derail whatever farm junglers were playing against plan to afk farm until he can 1v5

This. Time to kill all the MasterYi s

TwigglesApr 20, 20164 votes

This. Time to kill all the s

I think you might be my spirit animal. @_@ ~ <3

OverpoweredSoapApr 20, 201610 votes

Doesn't this screw over junglers that have an extremely hard time early in the jungle?

Cenobite AzazielApr 20, 20169 votes

Dragon timer? Has logic behind it. You can hear it die. Timers that you reseted when you saw it die? Fine by me. Precog style timers? Wow. Minority Report champions!

The game balancing is now based on bandages. Lissandra? Slap a heal in her ult. Darius? Make his Q renekton style so he can sustain vs ranged. No one is buying wards? Give them free wards!

Riot: "Since we f*** the vision system, we are giving you back some pseudo system that involves NO EFFORT AT ALL. We already babysit you giving the trinket, because player were too busy to buy a green ward and kept complaining about udyr/hecarin ganks 'out of nowhere'", so where, now you have buff timers without wards =].

Gimpy89Apr 20, 20167 votes

fuck you riot

LadyRenlyApr 20, 20166 votes

Only Shaco/Elise/Lee/Nunu players like this, this is just incredibly stupid.

KeevalroyApr 20, 20167 votes

My main jungler is Elise and this is a retarded idea.

Thai príncessApr 20, 20163 votes

Shaco/Lee main I dislike this it ruins all fun in the jg IMO*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

46104328_DELApr 20, 20166 votes

Is Riot just trying to kill themselves?

KeevalroyApr 20, 20167 votes

Now that this atrocity of a season is nearing the halfway point, I've come to the conclusion that the whole duration of season 6 will be spent testing the limits of the players' patience. Every slimy, idiotic, controversial, hypocritical, and dishonest design choice will cause a rush of "WTF??" reactions. They can use these reactions to make season 7 better remembering player responses.

Just from what's been thrown at us and shoved down our throats, if that's not the reason, then I can safely say they've lost their collective fucking minds and they should feel relieved they're still allowed to work on the game. It's like they're intentionally trying to piss people off at this point.

MrWasjigApr 20, 20166 votes

Just from what's been thrown at us and shoved down our throats, if that's not the reason, then I can safely say they've lost their collective fucking minds and they should feel relieved they're still allowed to work on the game. It's like they're intentionally trying to piss people off at this point.

Kinda reminds me of the first 38 seconds of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zziU0IbEU-Q If you'll indulge me with the paraphrasing:

Because of course, Riot recently decided that they're going to take everything they've built over the years as a game developer, arrange it nicely in front of them, then pick up a big hammer and smash and smash and smash and smash and smash. "Sorry we had to fuck up Season 6 but we kind of lost our interest in it around the same time we lost our fucking miiiiiinds!

KeevalroyApr 21, 20163 votes

You could have extended that to around 52 seconds where you can replace their machines with Dynamic queue and Kojima with solo queue-ers.

Edit: Apparently that's censored.

FovereApr 20, 20165 votes

Much like with the change to dragon, it doesn't really make sense. Having to estimate or track spawn timers has always been a fundamental part of the game.

DREADN0UGHTApr 20, 20165 votes

Wait, so, from now on I know when the enemy jungler grabs his own buffs?

AMYS GRAVEApr 20, 201610 votes

the mark only shows up 60 seconds before it spawns, so you wont see when they took it, just that they took it several minutes ago.

disregardableApr 20, 20164 votes

Why?

KeevalroyApr 20, 20167 votes

{quoted}

Why?

To appeal to casuals and make the game even simpler for everyone.

ForeverLaxxApr 20, 20164 votes

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that this change is an effort to bandaid Dynamic Queue so that solo players can "communicate" with the toxic premade they got stuck with, to justify the promised Solo Queue being off the table.

rtbf225618241Apr 20, 20163 votes

I feel like they want to make the game more mechanically approachable rather than having game knowledge would reward you, taking away a huge skill gap that was good for distinguishing good players from not so good ones. The timers are stupid af imo.

franticFurballApr 20, 20163 votes

Yeah prepare to uninstall this game right?

Dude, I even have an already fixed date for that :D

24th of may its time to say good bye to League of Dynamic Garbage ^^

Theiki KayleApr 20, 20163 votes

Shaco summoner 11 summoner 14

item 3070 Amumu

LOL SpammerApr 20, 20162 votes

This is actually a huge nerf to devourer jglers.

LSmaster16Apr 20, 20166 votes

What devourer junglers?

LlaniteApr 21, 20162 votes

Every half-decent player already known when your buff respawn by tracking their own jungle. If any, this change would lever the field.

Stee VąnApr 21, 20162 votes

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Chrono GGApr 20, 20161 votes

Yeah buddy GREAT IDEA (Sarcasm). Sorry but who thought it was a good idea to let everyone know the route a jungler takes? That takes away from a large part of strat...

AnnoxisApr 20, 20162 votes

You don't seem to inderstand how it works...

Once a buff (Blue, Red, Drake, Herald, Nashor) will be at less than 60 second to respawn, it will have a white hourglass to show it and at less than 20 second, it will be a yellow one.

BUT if you didn't check the state of the buff beforehand, you won't have his total timer, nor will the camp be marked as empty on the minimap.

KodyackApr 20, 20164 votes

actaully, even if you didn't check the state of the buff the hourglass will come up at the 60 seconds; that's the part I disagree with fully, and I still disagree with the timer showing up at all for blue/red.

As I see it, you should be punished for not checking what route the jungler is taking by never getting that information for when you can actually try to force a fight or start to position for one, you shouldn't get free information that makes it so junglers like Amumu have absolutely no chance to take any buffs besides MAYBE their first clear if the enemy jungler is so inclined.