Can we do something for Enchantment: Warrior?

Salron·Mar 4, 2016·135 votes·7,783 views

Look at the other Jungle items: Gives you a mini Ludens Gives you a mini Sunfire Allows you to become cancer incarnate

All Warrior gives is flat stats, no other unique Passive like the rest Maybe we can lower the AD by 10 and give it http://puu.sh/nuLka/ff2ac23175.png 's old passive which was a true damage DoT? As it stands it's just a boring stat stick with nothing else going for it

Edit: I completely forgot about being a thing So bringing back Elder Lizard's passive would probably break that item combination Something else would still be great though

202 Comments

QuephaMar 4, 201669 votes

It's balanced right now, let's not try to fix something that isn't broken.

Phoenix Kotori Mar 4, 20165 votes

It's balanced but it's really lame when compared to the other 3.

WadeWilson1337Mar 4, 20166 votes

Its the weakest jungle item by far. Cinderhulk is a great scaling item. Devourer as well, though it has quite a bit of risk if you arent stuck with a Bronze IV mentality that having to powerfarm to reach your powerspike isnt a weakness. Runic Echoes gives movement speed, a good chunk of ap, mana sustain, and even some burst and aoe to clear fast. Warrior...10% CDR? Really? The only way i can see warrior being viable is if they go back to giving it armor penetration. As of right now it is associated with the lowest winrate average champions in the jungle. Jarvan - 45% Lee Sin - 45% Khazix - 47% Vi - 48% Rengar - 48% Kindred - 48% Pantheon - 49% Wukong - 49% Graves - 50% Shaco - 51% Quinn - 51% (She was actually hovering between 49-50.50% for the longest time) Only 3 champions with a positive winrate who mostly take warrior... Just to clarify: Cinderhulk - Volibear Skarner Rammus Nunu Sometimes Gragas Runic Echoes - Amumu Ekko Sometimes Gragas Nidalee Fiddlesticks Udyr Devourer - Shyvana MasterYi Jax XinZhao Nocturne Trundle Kayle Aatrox Warwick

QuephaMar 4, 20164 votes

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As of right now it is associated with the lowest winrate average champions in the jungle.

Yeah, everyone knows that champions like Lee Sin, Graves, and Kindred are garbage champs that don't become useful in the hands of skilled players.

10% CDR? Really?

cdr is the most powerful stat in the game, you're crazy if you think that isn't powerful.

WadeWilson1337Mar 4, 20163 votes

...I really hope the cdr comment is a joke.

QuephaMar 4, 20162 votes

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...I really hope the cdr comment is a joke.

Then prepare for disappointment because your abilities being up 10% more often is massive and cdr blues have been eclipsing MR this season.

WadeWilson1337Mar 5, 20162 votes

CDR is a good stat. But its not the best stat in the game. There is alot of champions that cdr is good on, however there are some champions that cdr is a garbage stat on as well. Katarina (hopefully you figure this one out) Caitlyn (along with the vast majority of auto attack dependant adcs) (because his purpose is basically throw out your spells and get blown up) Evelynn (her cds are so low that you would never need cdr) theres plenty of others, but these are just the ones i saw in the inital 3 rows on the champion icon other than Kat. Saying a stat is "the best" is so arbritary i dont even know why youd say that. Not every champ can utilize CDR, nor AP, Nor AD etc etc. Frankly, the best stats in the game are likely resistances or health as literally everyone can benefit from them. Just dont say such ambigous things like that and expect to get a legitimate response.

aLawfulFalafelMar 5, 20162 votes

this... this... yes 100% yes

there isnt...there cant be, "one stat to rule them all" its illogical, but if there were to be "one stat" it would be health im sure (as armor and MR are 2 stats)

but yeah, WW1337 is right, its definatly not CDR, if you throw your Q every 9 seconds but it does 90% or less of the damage your Q could do with it being on only a 1 second higher cooldown its not any better, not to mention it still has the same resource cost (mana hp w/e) and recovery rate meaning you would have to use MORE mana, MORE CDs (more time) to have the same effect as someone who didnt prioritize CDR

TurquoiseYoshiMar 4, 201623 votes

The problem is that it isn't fun or unique. If it didn't build out of items a jungler would have anyway, I think people would skip it for Duskblade, Death's Dance, Hydra, etc.

QuephaMar 4, 201627 votes

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The problem is that it isn't fun or unique. If it didn't build out of items a jungler would have anyway, I think people would skip it for Duskblade, Death's Dance, Hydra, etc.

Not every item needs to be fun or unique. It's ok for there to be some work horses that just do their thing and keep champions balanced.

TurquoiseYoshiMar 4, 201612 votes

Yes, but compared to everything else in the same category as it, it's pretty lame and unimpressive.

QuephaMar 4, 201620 votes

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Yes, but compared to everything else in the same category as it, it's pretty lame and unimpressive.

But also performs its role in a balanced fashion.

yay nibbersMar 4, 20163 votes

So did Magus and Runeglaive (after tweaking) yet we're on Runic Echoes now.

Also the old tank (Juggernaut?) enchant that nobody misses

QuephaMar 4, 20168 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JYAuVK8l,comment-id=000200020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-04T22:32:19.366+0000)

So did Magus and Runeglaive (after tweaking) yet we're on Runic Echoes now.

Also the old tank (Juggernaut?) enchant that nobody misses

Runeglaive definitely did not work. It was completely worthless on Fiddlesticks who was the champion that needed an AP jungle item the most.

yay nibbersMar 4, 20165 votes

And what of Magus and the old tank enchant? They were perfectly servicable but were replaced with more interesting items. Warrior is now the only enchant that is purely a stat stick.

QuephaMar 4, 20167 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JYAuVK8l,comment-id=00020002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-04T23:24:28.965+0000)

And what of Magus and the old tank enchant? They were perfectly servicable but were replaced with more interesting items. Warrior is now the only enchant that is purely a stat stick.

I honestly don't remember what Magus did, wasn't it just AP?

I know what was wrong with juggernaut though, it was an hp multiplier when the defensive mastery tree already had some other defensive multipliers and tanks were ALREADY lategame focused champions because of their important role in team fights. It was warping their power curve beyond reason by doing nothing to help with their poor jungle clears, adding nothing to their ganks that they NEEDED to pull off to catch up in gold, and then when they hit those team fights they became literally unkillable because the old tank enchant had to have a massive multiplier to make up for how awful tanks were at the time from every other angle.

My Waifu VanillaMar 4, 20162 votes

Magus was literally Morellonomicon without the Mana Regen. 80 AP. 20% CDR.

QuephaMar 4, 20164 votes

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Magus was literally Morellonomicon without the Mana Regen. 80 AP. 20% CDR.

So like Warrior, except for a class of champions that don't have powerful auto attacks to fall back on when their abilities are on cooldown.

I'm pretty sure that's the main reason most mage items tend to be AP + something cool and useful while most AD caster items are just stats.

High5Mar 5, 20162 votes

I normally agree with Yoshi, but warrior works fine and in most cases, it's not flashy, but very effective.

I know people don't agree, but Devourer is a very delayed power spike in a meta that tends to have quicker games. I'd rather have a warrior ganking more often pre-20 rather than someone owning team fights post 30 mins.

FortisDominusMar 4, 20163 votes

exactly. "if it aint broke, dont fix it"

JoseraphMar 4, 20166 votes

Oh yeah? Darius Magus. Darius Runglaive. Darius The old tank item that i forgot about already Darius Spirit Stone The old HUD Darius Atmas (Rest in peace my favorite item) Darius Sword of the Occult Darius Shen Darius Kog Maw Darius They werent "broke", but got "fixed"

QuephaMar 5, 20167 votes

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Oh yeah? Darius Magus. Darius Runglaive. Darius The old tank item that i forgot about already Darius Spirit Stone The old HUD Darius Atmas (Rest in peace my favorite item) Darius Sword of the Occult Darius Shen Darius Kog Maw Darius They werent "broke", but got "fixed"

Aren't you so thankful for Riot taking Kog'maw's entire kit and moving it to the same button?

Pandemic PunchMar 4, 201613 votes

I miss that item.

RoodToobMar 4, 20167 votes

Me too

Silents429Mar 4, 20168 votes

Can we just leave it alone?

The champions building it scale best with flat stats, they aren't like mages and tanks that need some niche on the item to help them clear, Fighters don't suffer from those problems.

JoseraphMar 4, 20163 votes

Which is why most of the lowest winrate junglers build Warrior, right? (Vi, Kha, Rek, Lee, J4, Heca, Olaf, Rengar, Wukong, Pantheon, and Trynda)

Silents429Mar 5, 20166 votes

Winrates be damned, all of those are the type of champion that go apeshit when the smallest buffs go there way, Warrior is just fine.

aLawfulFalafelMar 5, 20161 votes

winrates are only indicators

lets not forget that just because YOU did something that worked very well doesnt mean that the next guy will win 100% of the time just cuz he used X build

ive won games with "troll builds/champs" and lost games with "meta builds/champs"

Silents429Mar 5, 20162 votes

Winrates are a fraction of a story that don't do anything worthwhile except make some people on the boards think they have a clue about balance.

Lithium RosaMar 4, 20168 votes

Make it a mini item 3142

MilfHuntUnitM1TMar 4, 20167 votes

While I agree with this

it's just a boring stat stick with nothing else going for it

I don't in any way agree with this

Make it a true damage DoT

How about we leave it the way it is and not turn it into overloaded cancer?

Masala ChaiMar 4, 20163 votes

That's basically red buff you're calling cancer. And Twitch Passive.

FistOfSharkieshaMar 5, 20166 votes

It's absurdly gold efficient atm so if it was given a passive it would have to be reworked entirely so to not break it.

63536895_DELMar 4, 20163 votes

Let's give it a weaker cresent active, like item 3074 .

mikemcpartyMar 4, 20164 votes

We don't need any more of that here.

63536895_DELMar 4, 20162 votes

Why?

SSJTribeMar 4, 20161 votes

It's an auto attack reset, so it'd make some champs even harder to deal with early game

Whut Thuh Mar 5, 20163 votes

imagine vi getting her 3 hit off in less than a second

TotalJerkMar 4, 201613 votes

Jesus Christ my heart skipped a beat. pls no.

NicktoonsMar 4, 20161 votes

Didn't it used to have armor pen? what happened to that?

Maligaro SpikeMar 4, 20164 votes

got removed and warrior got +20 AD for compensation in preseason 6 changes

warrior used to have 40ad 10 flat arpen and 10% cdr

now is 60ad and 10% cdr

The Yetii RiderMar 4, 20161 votes

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got removed and warrior got +20 AD for compensation in preseason 6 changes

warrior used to have 40ad 10 flat arpen and 10% cdr

now is 60ad and 10% cdr

Warrior has 65 AD.

Just ShimakazeMar 4, 20163 votes

Shows just how much you don't jungle summoner 11

The Yetii RiderMar 5, 20161 votes

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Shows just how much you don't jungle

I know right? It's because I get no jungle picks because my secondary is support.

Also Warrior junglers are boring as shit, I play Cinderhulk all day every day.

jdizzle367Mar 5, 20161 votes

How are tanks more fun than bruisers lol. Tanks take all the fun out of the game. I would rather fight a 5 man assassin comp than a team with 2 tanks.

The Yetii RiderMar 5, 20162 votes

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How are tanks more fun than bruisers lol. Tanks take all the fun out of the game. I would rather fight a 5 man assassin comp than a team with 2 tanks.

Tanks are fun because if you get behind you aren't completely useless. You still have lots of power for your team.

jdizzle367Mar 5, 20161 votes

That doesn't make tanks fun it give them a purpose. I never said tanks don't have a purpose I just said they are boring to play compared to bruisers and playing against them makes me want to afk and uninstall.

aLawfulFalafelMar 5, 20161 votes

have you ever played garen or trundle or maokai full tank? so much fun idgaf what you have to say! give them grasp of the undying and fun is at your finger tips, stop worrying about things like, when to initiate, or...dying and worry about things like, am i troll enough? does the enemy team hate me enough? should i fight them or run up to them, dance and run around while they chase me and my team cleans up objectives?

if u havent had tank troll fun yet, you sir, are missing out Trundle

jdizzle367Mar 6, 20161 votes

You point and click other champions to death and don't die. There is no learning curve no potential for outplay. It's mindless and repetitive. It lacks the micro-game enjoyment of a moderate to highskill champion and it lacks the macro-game intellectual plays of the assassin and support.