Why not make QSS remove only CC and have Mercurial remove all debuffs?

Salron · 2016-04-20T18:54:00.401Z

[](http://puu.sh/opA7X/4fb1c48269.png) Seems like a plausible idea

Salron·Apr 20, 2016·190 votes·5,431 views

Seems like a plausible idea

77 Comments

SrbLudApr 20, 201625 votes

I would love to see that. Right now everyone is complaning. Zed ult this Zed ult that.... The only thing i'm worried about is Kalistas rend... Like item 3139 was my babe for that

TurquoiseYoshiApr 21, 20166 votes

I wish Baron could build it for that reason...

IceKingChernobogApr 21, 20163 votes

{quoted}

I would love to see that. Right now everyone is complaning. Zed ult this Zed ult that.... The only thing i'm worried about is Kalistas rend... Like was my babe for that

ah Kalista , why must you remind me of that abomination of a champ.

KyroRayneApr 21, 20161 votes

I haven't tested it before because it seemed like a waste, but can it remove Darius Hemorage stacks? I'm assuming it can because it's a debuff, but I've never tried it.

IceKingChernobogApr 21, 20162 votes

{quoted}

I haven't tested it before because it seemed like a waste, but can it remove Hemorage stacks? I'm assuming it can because it's a debuff, but I've never tried it.

Yeah, it used to remove Twitch and Darius stacks

DemesApr 22, 20161 votes

Well, it still does.

SentinosApr 21, 20162 votes

When Darius has 5 stacks on you and ur whole team is half health and hes about to dunk, its not a waste.

KyroRayneApr 22, 20161 votes

but you have no idea how difficult it is to convince your ADC to buy QSS against a cc champ like morg or leona... They don't like suggestions :D

Your third momApr 21, 20161 votes

hell i fucking hate this stupid change zed and kalista both have point click stackable executes and they're removing only way to defend against that fuck so if thats the case that they don't want someone like zed to just lose all his dmg from ult by 1 item they should make ALL skillshot ults unescapable point click abilities for example Lux Ult ALL global range ults leonas ult Aurelius sol ult i mean that is going to make game fun and fare for everyone won't it? Oh and ofc don't forget to remove zhonya's hourglass aswell together with bard and new tarics ult i mean its not fare that their abilities can counter all other skills

SkyBlade79Apr 21, 20161 votes

what even are you

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20161 votes

She is ur 3rd mom, duh

Your third momApr 29, 20161 votes

i am the ruined king

Ariel the CruelApr 20, 201622 votes

Better yet, have QSS and scimitar remove CC, then make a new item from QSS that also removes all Debuffs. Shared unique active, of course. Make AD's choose between damage and safety; don't just give them both.

DarkSunSovereignApr 21, 20162 votes

And an AP version of both.

Ariel the CruelApr 21, 20162 votes

AP has hourglass, AD gets Scimitar. The cleanse all option would be a tank item (Stat efficiency debatable), and therefore equally viable to both.

EDIT: You could argue AD is disadvantaged by the unique active restriction. But they also enjoy the lifeline shields and life steal. So I don't see this as an issue when viewing item choices as a whole.

XPL TurdongApr 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ntbp9MQc,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-04-20T20:45:30.554+0000)

Better yet, have QSS and scimitar remove CC, then make a new item from QSS that also removes all Debuffs. Shared unique active, of course. Make AD's choose between damage and safety; don't just give them both.

If that happens merc better get some big ass damage buffs because it only has 65 ad.

Ariel the CruelApr 22, 20161 votes

Considering there are only 4 items that give more raw AD. What kind of buffs are you expecting?

warmcorntortillaApr 22, 20161 votes

It should be on item 3222 , but be changed to not be able to be used on yourself. It would make the item actually worth purchasing for supports. It would mean pretty much only one QSS per team, because the item has no combat stats and is only good on supports, and barely good on them.

Ariel the CruelApr 22, 20161 votes

I'm not against the idea. But I suspect you greatly undervalue Crucible.

franticFurballApr 20, 201614 votes

Sure, why not!

Hey, and while we are at it. here is another idea, to really make mana dependent squishy caster lives miserable: How about, and hear me out on this, if we introduce a mechanic that makes us lose hp, everytime we use mana? That way, we ensure that midlane really belongs to AD assassins!

In case you didn't catch up on the sarcasm: QSS is a terrible item as it is. It is the only viable defensive option which actually has a cooldown LESS than the abilities its meant to protect from, and it builds into NOTHING useful for casters.

Forcing them to buy an AD item, to achieve the same...well, you might as well remove those champions from the game entirely.

SoliceApr 20, 20161 votes

I'm not sure what your raging about here. The item is literally meant for adc's. If they wanted ap champs to have cleanse, they would have given it by now, instead of nerfing it, and ap's have zhonyas, but also the rare and slightly more secret defensive item item 3222

Troll for TrumpApr 21, 20161 votes

Mikael's stats are too bad to be used; It does offer protection for APs against CC and assassins, but It's completly overshadowed by the current Athene's Grail and Morello's. 35 MR doesn't help much against the AD champ it's supposed to protect against. Basically, by buying it you are forfeiting your offense and go into full defensive mode, which makes you do less damage, and makes you weaker midgame, and lag behind others lategame. The active also has a 180second cooldown, which is twice as long as QSS, and longer than Zhonya's too.

It does offer mana font, but that, too is being removed by Riot, alongside the other similar items. It also only stops cc, not all debuffs.

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20161 votes

By buying something for defensive purposes, we are forced to sacrifice offensive power

Isn't that how it is supposed to be?

Troll for TrumpApr 21, 20161 votes

item 3156 item 3155 item 3812 item 3139 item 3001 item 3157 item 3025 (I believe it was intended for defence; Don't quote me on it)

but yeah. Most "Defensive" items are just so much better. Even their components could be better than Mikael's

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20161 votes

I would agree that most hybrid offense / defense items are a bit out of whack rn. The lines are a bit blurry between "offensive item with some defense" and "defensive Item with some offense"

RequiemsfireApr 21, 20161 votes

It's not suppose to completely shut down CC champions, it's only intended to be a panic button that you can use to save yourself at critical moments such as in Team fights where you're squishy. This can make a huge difference to not just you as the player but ultimately win team fights. Yesterday I was just playing Ashe and Sion managed to ult me. Normally I would've died but I was able to quickly QSS to negate the stun from both his ult and Q and run away.

It will also most definitely save you at early stages in the game if say a warwick or malzahar or Lissandra ults you.

Spaceman5pffApr 21, 20161 votes

Not sure how you Qss'ed a knockup O.o

Last I heard that wasn't possible.

DemesApr 22, 20161 votes

You can QSS the stun part from the knockup, allowing you to use dash and blink abilities in the air.

RequiemsfireApr 22, 20161 votes

It negates the stun portion of the knock up, so when I hit the ground I was be able to move a lot sooner, allowing me to escape, he also hit me with his Q while I was in the air. Simple split second decisions can be life saving.

MrWasjigApr 20, 20166 votes

No that would be far too sensible. Please this is Riot we're talking about here.

"Alacrity is being bought too much" "Better remove all boot enchantments then!"

Nameless VoiceApr 20, 20165 votes

That both doesn't solve the game health issue ("this item can negate this champion, so the champion must be balanced around it"), but it also means that the item is now (even more) only attractive to ADCs and no one else.

At least QSS was situationally useful on all champions, even if it was slot-inefficient for ones who relied on AP.

crippler38Apr 21, 20164 votes

I'm not sure if this was posted before but I'm hearing around that it's because it'll be easier to balance zed and company when there isn't an item in the game that can make them lose a massive chunk of damage just by someone having it. That way they can balance the kit around the kit rather than around that one item.

In other words what they SHOULD of done to sejuani.

ZęxApr 21, 20161 votes

I remember them saying that Zed is the example of a healthy assassin in one of the patches, but after seeing crybabies crying about him outplaying them and one-shotting them, as you said they are removing it to find a way to "balance" him.

invisiblecat1Apr 20, 20163 votes

NOOOOOO WHY MUST YOU MAKE AP CHAMPIONS WORSE OFF

Old Man TeetoApr 20, 20163 votes

Mercurial Scimitar had no downside as a third item buy on ADC's.

It gave Lifesteal, MR, Cleanse, and solid AD.

They had to remove one of it's strengths so it was more situational rather than always good.

I still think the Lifesteal should've been dropped entirely, however making it so that it only cleanses CC does mean that it's far less effective against DoT, in particular IGNITE, as well as

Mordekaiser Ultimate. Zed Ultimate. Fiora Ultimate. Trundle Ultimate. Vladimir Ultimate

Additionally, with the rework to

Malzahar where his ultimate doesn't actually deal damage (it spawns a void zone under them but QSS won't remove a ground effect)

It looks like they're trying to make it so that QSS isn't such a powerful BLANKET DEFENSIVE active.

These champions might see nerfs, or the change might just be a raw buff to them that's needed.

Also Mercurial being nerfed might make the other defensive items actually bought more than never by ADC's. (When was the last Banshee's or GA you saw in solo-que?)

kebslolApr 21, 20163 votes

No. Mercurial buyers don't need more advantages. Mages have it toughest. Selfish.

Pierce The VealApr 20, 20162 votes

Why not make cleanse do everything mercurial scimitar used to do, so if you actually want something to screw someone over it's not as easy to get as 1200 gold.

BigPooStormApr 20, 20162 votes

Because that would make sense. We can't have that.

Athenes LuluApr 20, 20162 votes

Hey at least item 3222 is not absolute shit compared to item 3140 anymore!

######Though on all seriousness it is not an at all bad idea.

BisaknospApr 20, 20162 votes

obviously riot wants us to build item 3157 on every champ

CppLApr 21, 20162 votes

That would fucked up ap champ even more.cause that item doesnt have any upgrade for ap champs.Against zed it"s fine they have zhonyas ,but what about ww,malza,amumu,galio etc...?

PePsiLemoNNApr 20, 20161 votes

Cause Mercurial was the problem in the first place ?

SalronApr 20, 20163 votes

{quoted}

Cause Mercurial was the problem in the first place ?

The difference here is that Merc is a 3.6k gold item whereas QSS is 1.3k It would take far longer to get and more investment than the current QSS

JefftiffyApr 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ntbp9MQc,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-04-20T20:10:16.014+0000)

The difference here is that Merc is a 3.6k gold item whereas QSS is 1.3k It would take far longer to get and more investment than the current QSS

The problem with Merc is it way too gold efficient even if you nerf QSS. It needs an overall nerf and Riot is addressing it.

Your third momApr 21, 20161 votes

First they give zed second ult and now removes only mean for adcs to protect themselves from that ult WTF riot are you just a bunch of morons that applies random ideas to their game??

Snap of ThanosApr 21, 20161 votes

Even better.

Since Rito likes to play so much with choices and decisions, make QSS remove all debuffs again, but scimitar have powerful stats and only remove CC. You'd have to choose between one of the two basically.

NekusenApr 21, 20161 votes

because that would be a buff to AD while a nerf to AP, we need to opposite.

ShacoVSocietyApr 22, 20161 votes

Sorry, but horrible idea. The entire reason theyre stopping QSS from cleansing Zed's ultimate is to open his kit to changes. If you have an item that just stops a champion from doing anything with that ability, esspecially on Zed whos assassination comes form ult is unfiar, instead they should nerf his ult damage so that he can still use ult, but not be as effective.