Like, i can hardly get any kills unless i'm outrageously fed, and late game it feels like 4v5 for my team because i cant assassinate anyone. I mean what am i supposed to do when my full rotation, including ult cant even kill a adc? I usually die before i get the auto off because cc, and it just feels so baddd. What am i doing wrong? Before it wasn't like this...
Jinzo Torrance5 votesYou have to use your brain now
Remove Jungle2 votesYou have to use your brain now
LEL. all the non assassin players all saying this b2b. go play them and stop playing braindead mages. and then come here tell us what we shud do.
Jinzo Torrance3 votesCan't press ERQW to delete someone anymore, guess you have to stop playing him like he's still a braindead champion.
Remove Jungle2 votesCan't press ERQW to delete someone anymore, guess you have to stop playing him like he's still a braindead champion.
like your elo right?
Jinzo Torrance5 votesYes everyone plays like braindead in bronze, feels fun to pick garbage, troll and still win because the enemy throw at Baron everytime.
Troll for Trump1 votesThat's what every champ does.
Because assassins are meant to do a lot in a short window to burst their target, no shit they're going to use all their abilities in that 0.2s window. They're supposed to do that.
You might as well criticize ADCs like twitch/jinx/cait for winning teamfights by rightclicking the nearest target.
FrostySkipper4 votesTake 
+ Stormraider's. Flank enemy team. Wait till a teamfight starts. Activate 
+ . Hop over wall. Ult- Q in melee range - w - proc passive. Gtfo with Stormraider's + Phage passive. Wait till you see a low health champ. Go back in from the opposite wall. kill him. Gtfo
ChaddyFantome1 votesTake
THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!
GULAG 4 U1 votesIsn't thunderlord's better? But why stormraider's over thunderlord's?
FrostySkipper1 votesU can take thunderlords now since Rylais got nerfed, but I still prefer Stormraider's especially in top lane(it's good against champs like 
) ,lower cooldown, a lot of champs have slows these days and it's also good against champs who can retaliate in laning phase. That slow resistance will help alot, because when you f**k up and get slowed, it'll also affect your e when you try to escape. Stormraider's also seems better late game, since Talon's late game seems....meh(better if u fail to kill the adc and still escape than to die and still fail to kill the adc. fk 
> but stormraider's allows you to bait these, so u can go in a second time :^) )
GULAG 4 U1 votesTakin gets shit on in toplane, why would you play him there
FrostySkipper1 votesTalon is one of the strongest early melee champs. I actually have an easier time in Top than Mid. Top lane inspired me to try mov speed Talon and it worked. Top laners are mostly melee. I encourage a lvl 1 Auto>Instant melee Q for auto reset to chunk him for around 30%(maybe more) health. Your level 2 all in can take almost 50% health of your opponent if u do W>auto> instant melee Q for auto reset to proc passive. If u take Stormraider's in top lane, u can easily do your combo with melee Q, proc passive and then disengage, especially when they can retaliate ex Darius, illaoi. Stormraider's allows u to disengage or stick with them especially if they don't have an escape/gapcloser. I usually rush 
for the passive, so it makes your "hit and run" stronger then go and complete 
after. Oh, btw roam mid/invade jg when u get the chance.
GULAG 4 U1 votesIma try that out then
Ralanr1 votesI prefer ghost and thunderlords imo because I like that extra burst for secure. And then ignite just incase.
I love how Talon can function without flash.
CasterGilgamesh1 votesjust because a champion can go without flash doesnt mean they should flash is still overpowered but even though riot knows it removing it would be too much work for balance since every thing is balanced around it
Ralanr1 votesWell yeah, but that doesn't mean that we can't utilize champions with extra versatile spells because they don't actually need flash to function.
It's like Shaco taking smite and ignite.
CasterGilgamesh1 votessry bout the small rant 
just triggers me
but yah some champions just flat out dont need smite when they could just get more damage such as 
and maybe 
Apocalypsic1 votesPersonally I forgo ghost for ignite with my flash because I feel phage + Stormraiders is enough movement speed. It's been pretty successful for me so far, I like that there isn't one cut and dry way to play talon anymore.
FrostySkipper1 votesGhost allows you to run it down bot, dodge the Janna tornado, bait the adc's flash and still catch up with him. I only take Ignite against Assassin matchups :) 
etc
TeCoolMage3 voteswhat the heck are you building if your full rotation doesn't kill the ADC??? Ult Q W auto kills ADCs easily. If fed you can do ult Q auto
And if it didn't, old Talon wasn't any better.
Remove Jungle1 voteswhat the heck are you building if your full rotation doesn't kill the ADC??? Ult Q W auto kills ADCs easily. If fed you can do ult Q auto
And if it didn't, old Talon wasn't any better.
1.Ghostblade 2.Black Cleaver 3.Duskblade 4.maw 5.last whisper/BT depents
Remove Jungle2 votesthis isn't the only game i had this problem Talon FEELS really USELESS LATE GAME hard 2.
old talon pffft. had a harder time to get fed but if he would get fed he would be unstoppable.
TeCoolMage2 votesPersonally I prefer this:
Early game based on laner matchup: When playing off meta like top Talon vs Xin or roaming against a Soraka, don't be afraid to spend 800 gold on executioner's call first item / the moment you start roaming. You'll win every time from then on assuming even or higher numbers. AP: Hexdrinker > Serrated Dirk > Swifties/Mercury (Or don't upgrade for a later ninja tabi against AA comps) > Ghostblade > Duskblade AD: Ghostblade > default if not ahead, Swifties/Ninja Tabi/Mobi if ahead > Duskblade
Later on: Complete Maw if hexdrinker was bought earlier Get edge of night if an AP champ is fed + get mercury treads Get ninja tabi if an ADC and/or AA reliant champ like Sona/Teemo is fed in a high AD team If you're ahead, get Tiamat.
Finally, fill in the last slots on this order: Death's Dance = Ravenous Hydra > Trinity Force/Sterak's Gage = Black Cleaver/Last Whisper
GULAG 4 U3 votesHe isn't. Look at the winrate curve, it's 60% for 125+ games. You have to try a new approach on talon. Facerolling onto a squishy no longer works.
Ralanr2 votes"Can't get kills unless outrageously fed"
Ignoring that problem, I've found that late game it's usually best to split push or let someone else engage in teamfights.
"But Talon isn't the best at taking towers fast!"
That's not why he should split push. He should splitpush because his escape potential is amazing so people either ignore you as you take towers (and building lots of AD helps with that) or go after you with you escaping and your team splitpushing in another lane.
Zelorxon1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZ_Mqxu8ws
Push, go bot, ult, rinse and repeat evertytime ult is off cd.
bad arcade kitty1 votesi can hardly get any kills unless i'm outrageously fed
wait, how can you be outrageously fed if you can't get kills unless you are outrageously fed?
MLDzXnRRR1 votesYou are supposed to jump a wall into the teamfight, ult and Q the midlaner/ADC in the face. Add W and noone is getting alive out of this. Ofc, you will fail, if you try to use Q as a gapcloser in a 5v5 without flanking.
sit kid1 votesHe doesnt even do much damage besides melee-q, and if he is mid, chances are that he is against a ranged laner, basically making his melee q useless as it is the ability he is supposed to engage with
His W doesnt even do that much even. It doesnt even oneshot minions, where as someone like Zed have superior range, poke and waveclear
They need to put some strength into assassins in general instead of just making them oneshot targets
TLDR: Remove melee Q Buff W damage
Remove Jungle1 votestrue.
his early game is OP he mid is meh his late game is so trash that even if you are fed you are USELESS.
last game I played with talon was 2 weeks ago ?
I went 15/3 early to mid game roaming getting kills everything. then late game happened
support soraka out of position I fly on her full combo everything hits she still survives with 25% HP LEL. after that her team rushed me and locked my down I died. I feel like I am a super minion late game. really horrible. every champ ADC top mages will snowball if they get fed even aatrox will snowball but assassins can't anymore.
so i decided to not play assassins anymore it makes me salty really hard 2 to see what riot did to them :(
MohawkBird1 votesI feel like the only thing Talon has right now is his ability to level 3 cheese with that insane damage on his passive. When I've played Talon, I almost always got first blood just because of the combo + ignite because they tacked so much damage and scaling onto his passive.
The thing is. . . it's a DoT. So come mid game and late game his passive is pretty much completely negated by all the stupid amounts of lifesteal ADCs get now. So they tagged practically all his damage into something that gets countered by a keystone.
Requiemsfire1 votesYesterday a talon tried to kill me as Sivir, I spell shielded his W, and he just died due to losing most of his damage.
Ralanr1 votesWhat assassin wouldn't be screwed over in that situation against Sivir?
Beyond Rengar.
Requiemsfire2 votes 
(bit of a quasi-assassin) and 
has enough safety to not be murdered for popping her spell shield.
NineTailedMystic1 votesAhri isn't an Assassin either.
Requiemsfire2 votesRiot considers ahri's primary role Burst mage and secondary role Slayer which has assassin as a subclass due to the following "Assassins specialize in infiltrating enemy lines with their unrivaled mobility to quickly dispatch high-priority targets. Due to their mostly melee nature, Assassins must put them themselves into dangerous positions in order to execute their targets. Luckily, they often have defensive tricks up their sleeves that, if used cleverly, allow them to effectively avoid incoming damage." which is a description that Ahri does fit.
NineTailedMystic1 votesIf you're using the sub classes, then you have a lot more champions to put under your list of Assassins. Vayne and Twitch come to mind immediately.
Troll for Trump1 votesVayne and Twitch can sht on Sivir easily too.
Not that it wasn't obvious but..
Requiemsfire1 votesVayne and Twitch don't necessarily possess reliable abilities to reach an enemy backline however do possess assassin like qualities.
NineTailedMystic1 votesThen you have quite the arbitrary argument. You list Ahri as an Assassin because of her secondary class, but not Twitch or Vayne who also have the "Slayer" subclass?
Requiemsfire1 votesNo, I list Ahri as an assassin because she fits Riot's very definition of an assassin perfectly.
NineTailedMystic1 votesYet they specifically moved her from Assassin to Mage. Hm...
CasterGilgamesh1 votesmy only gripe with the rework is that talon is missing a speed buff ability in his kit that would work really well with the rest of his kit
TheIronRevenant1 votesWelcome to the club
Calabok1 votesif it is true for all, then it is a good thing.
