Where did all the vayne hate come from?

therealdragon··5 votes·685 views

For the past week all I've been seeing is "OMG VAYNE OP NERF PLS" and I have no idea where this came from. This also happened to Thresh too and I'd like to know where that came from as well. Or do you guys just find SOMETHING to complain about no matter what?

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Troy2426218 votes

Vayne is a micro chasm of irritating design elements. She is:

  1. Very safe (Condemn, Tumble, Stealth, always builds Bork which she synergizes with)
  2. Duels extremely well, making it hard to stomp her
  3. Scales incredibly hard, so you are obligated to win lane just to go even.
  4. Was made back in a time when "Crush them pre-6" was considered legitimate counterplay (Lol).
  5. Has a toxic playerbase that tells you that you were outplayed.
  6. Scales off of your defensive stats, making it hard to counter-build her.

These all synergize ironically. She scales incredibly hard and it's hard to counterbuild her, so she will inevitably be a monster provided she gets the right items. You then must stop her from getting them. However, everything in her kit works to try and prevent you from stopping her, due to her insane safety and duel potential. Screw up once, and a good Vayne will punish you unfathomably hard. Vayne screws up? As long as she plays it safe, she'll scale it off.

That's the crux of it, in my opinion. Nobody likes a champion that is extremely annoying, very strong and insanely difficult to punish. As soon as she's picked, you have to play HER game. The VAYNE game. Keep her behind then win before she scales back.

Ipols1 votes

Playng vs Vayne feels like having a clock on your head: You'd like to farm a bit, wait to recover from losing a wave of cs or anything else, but since you are vs Vayne there's an invisible clock that says: 15 more minutes and you lose if she won't throw the game for fun. It makes you feel frustrated even when you aren't losing vs her because you have to go quick and push hard towers to end before she 1v3 without ulting

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FalconPawwwwnch5 votes

You clearly haven't been here for awhile

Vayne's been one of the most hated champions in the game since her release in Season 1

She's not fun to fight against for the majority of the roster unless you have targetted CC and burst, which Riot keeps removing.

The problem only gets worse every time Riot buffs Bork

Vayne also historically has been shown to have the most toxic playerbase alongside Riven

therealdragon2 votes

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You clearly haven't been here for awhile

Vayne's been one of the most hated champions in the game since her release in Season 1

She's not fun to fight against for the majority of the roster unless you have targetted CC and burst, which Riot keeps removing.

The problem only gets worse every time Riot buffs Bork

Vayne also historically has been shown to have the most toxic playerbase alongside Riven

I get that shes hated but I haven't seen so many vayne op threads ever. Riven.....see those like every 2 weeks but vayne....they just started cropping up now.

I also realized very soon that vaynes are toxic. The first vayne I met was super toxic and every vayne after was also toxic and at one point in tb I refused to accept vaynes lol. They've gotten better but man......that playerbase...

Juicyman4 votes

She's now the most popular champion in the game with a steady 50% win rate despite being 'high skill'. Even when Lee was in this position he still only had 47/48% since he require effort to play.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Some people don't know how to play against her or have lost games against her.

They have been spamming "OP, Pls Nerf" threads ever since.

MohawkBird1 votes

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EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I've personally never had an issue playing against her and have found that many ADCs and supports can take advantage of her lack of range early game to poke and harass her out of lane if you play it correctly. By the time she has her items, you should have enough of a lead to even the odds in teamfights (assuming you aren't stupid enough to attempt to 1v1 a duelist ADC later in the game).

Before you accuse me of maining her (since so many people resort to that when they can't win an argument), she doesn't fit my playstyle and you can easily see that I have 0 ranked games on her. I've also never had an issue playing against her unless I massively screwed up early game or the enemy jungler gave them a lead.

Then again, I've only really played against Gold and Platinum Vayne players. I'm not sure how strong she is when played by Diamond or Master players in comparison.

MohawkBird1 votes

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EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Your ADC has a support as well, considering it's a duo lane. If they can't take advantage of Vayne's lack of waveclear or ranged harass to gain an early lead, then that's a different issue.

Laneswaps are a different matter, but they aren't exactly relevant to this discussion since they let any ADC farm freely.

Live2LetDie1 votes

All you have to do is look at the rank of people saying she is op. That tells you everything you need to know about why they are QQing about her. She is dualist that sole purpose it to stay alive and a good vayne knows how to do that. But most vayns are easy to beat.

  1. Have a pink. If you drop a pink beginning fight then she just lost the majority of her kit.
  2. Cc her. Not hard to do with the correct support. I find naut to be an extremely ez champ to play against her.

Lower elos have bad coordination and just smack the first thing infront of them. This is why vayne is "op" to them

OperationDEEZ11 votes

I don't get Vayne I always hated Thresh, I hope there's a special spot in hell for Thresh players.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

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AbsoluteSadman1 votes

She suddenly became popular and now everyone is free to see her complete bullshit.

Nimba1 votes

Seems like everyone begged for nerfs to the adcs that could keep up with/trash on her, they got them, now Vayne is left and they hate her too.

What you see on the boards is just replacing what was targeted at Jinx and pretty consistently at Kalista. The only reason Sivir isn't complained about even though she's picked a lot and wins often is because she's mostly utility and she's STILL being nerfed.

TheVishual1 votes

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For the past week all I've been seeing is "OMG VAYNE OP NERF PLS" and I have no idea where this came from. This also happened to Thresh too and I'd like to know where that came from as well. Or do you guys just find SOMETHING to complain about no matter what?

She's wasn't super popular and seen every game in the past... now all the lane bully ADCs got nerfed it's the return of hypercarry ADCs and guess who's the best one

Vayne Vayne Vayne

The Bearded Bard1 votes

For the record, I've always hated Vayne and I've always thought she was overpowered. I thought it was ridiculous that she didn't get compensation nerfs when they created BORK.

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