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Im going to call down riot logic here

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Way back in patches V1.0.0.118b: and V1.0.0.136: Irelias healing on her ult and her W were nerfed while in patch V1.0.0.120: her ult healing on hitting champions was slightly increased by 5%

For lack of ability to find the video related to the patch 1.0.0.136B yet able to recall the reason why this change was made

The reason riot games is nerfing irelia is because you fight her she gets low, and then heals back up without you being able to stop her. Its impossible to push her out of lane.

I REPEAT THIS IS WHAT RIOT SAID if someone does know the link to the video that would be greatly appreciated for extra validation ( i remember it was the riven patch or something like that)

Anyways. My point in all this. Vladimir. He centers around healing and blood and stuff. In most ways I feel that vlad is in a good spot right now. Its nice to see him get some play.

But Id like for you to go back up and look at riots argument on how they nerfed her heal because it was so hard to push her out of lane. The change was made where her W would be reduced by half its healing, unless in its active form then it went back to the normal healing ratios.

I feel like this would be an adequate nerf to vladimir as well. Its so darn frustrating to try pushing vladimir out of lane, especially as a melee. I have faced 5 vladimir top today and each one, I would drop down to half or even 1/5 hp, and within a rediculously short time they healed back up to full hp. This wouldnt be a problem but he has no cost on his Q.

My proposed nerf would be 50% reduced healing against minions. It would keep his early/mid/late game dueling/teamfight potential the same, but would allow him to be pushed out of lane, especially if you are a melee champion.

TL:DR nobody should be able to stay in lane indefinitely, regardless of melee or ap or ranged status. Vlad needs this treatment too

2 Comments

MrButtermancer1 votes

This nerf would be a castration. Vlad needs to exist simply because there needs to be a champion to give much worse champions a hard time top lane. Top lane is a bastard contest. The bastard contest seems to be binary out of the gate way more so than any other lane. It gets unfair very fast one way or the other. As a result, people get mad when their gimmick isn't as good as the other guy's.

Vlad needs to exist for two reasons. One, he's one of the last examples of the mage archetype (targeted AP burst damage, low mobility). As his resource isn't even mana but health in a limited capacity, I shouldn't even have to elaborate on why THAT is sad, but that's a story for a different day.

Two, he needs to be mid and top to keep so many worse bastards from succeeding mid and top. His perseverance and reasonably safe ranged targeted damage allows him to trade with the REALLY toxic mids like LeBlanc and Zed. He can absolutely still lose to them, but the game for them becomes less "wait for the enemy to make a single mistake then all-in." It costs his opponents to create a window of opportunity.

I would like to add that he also puts pressure on his team to pick up hard CC elsewhere as he lacks the reliable hard CC many of his competitors get.

I'm gonna say: caution is best here. There are so many more faceroll champions (Riven, Jayce etc), particularly top lane, that Vlad should hardly be a priority.

Potato Doc1 votes

so you are saying 50% reduced healing from minions is a catastrophy? No number changes to his damage, no dueling potential lowered. With 600 ap which is extremely normal for a vlad you usually see their hp be 4k without really building any or much tank at all.

Vlad being the last example of the mage archetype? of what tanky self sustaining able to assassinate an ADC and still be a terror in a team fight? that doesnt sound like an archetype mage to me. But correct me if im wrong when looking back to the traditional stories of mages who all sat in the back casting spells, not diving head long, and able to be interrupted by being damaged in their casting

Vlad doesnt NEED to be anywhere. He does well top and he does well mid, like I said in the original post hes fine for the most part in my opinion, he just doesnt deserve to have the godlike status of forever sustain. If irelia whos sustain was much worse and costed her that 60 second ult was deemed to be nerfed, vlad needs this reduction as well.

In all honesty the nerf would have vlad looking to poke his enemy more with his Q rather then just sit passively in lane pressing Q on minions and if he is losing lane, for him to try and sit under tower waiting to be tower dove before pooling. It would reward summoners for being more active in their lane, while still slightly rewarding those who just passively farm. This in no way hurts vlad, except for those who are willing to passively farm, and even then the passive farmers will still get their reward of playing safe.

You make this nerf out to be much worse then it actually is, also riot logic, This will separate the good vlad players from the great vlad players. Im not just saying this sarcastically, it will honestly divide them. Plus with the indirect buffs he is getting from the AP items I feel like this is totally justified

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