Support Itemization

Tobias Brackner·May 3, 2017·2 votes·542 views

I just want to give shout-outs to all the awesome items that supports can build and how sad I am that tournaments seem to only want to build

Like, yeah supports probably have limited "only supports buy this items" however this is pretty large selection:

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But at the same time supports have such a strong overlap with all the other roles (except for Marksman but even then we are seeing a couple of Supp marksen) you can still buy items intended for those other roles so it kinda makes sense there are few dedicated Support items.

29 Comments

robotmasterMay 3, 20172 votes

Yeah you're right it's just redemption and locket are the meta when it comes to the support role. And who rush locket or redemption it all about that sightstone.

o0O Madoka O0oMay 3, 20172 votes

All the other support items have satisfying power, but just not as visible as locket and redemption.

They are passives.. I mean, who wants passives. They are not as exciting and fun to use as actives.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

I hear yah, but we are seeing this bullcrap in the tournament level. These are guys who should be all about "optimal power" over flash, yet they are the worse offenders.

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

Or they build Locket and Redemption because they are the strongest Support items teamwide that synergize amazingly together.

Good stats, low purchase prices, amazing actives.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Nah, they overvalue the items greatly.

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20172 votes

Why do you think that?

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Why thank you very much for asking for clarification instead of jumping to conclusions or making nonsensical assumptions. I'm very proud of your ability to converse.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/OKlKaI4K-support-itemization?comment=0000000000000000

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

I'm afraid that post you linked me too didn't really clarify why you think those two items are overvalued.

60 Mr 30 Armor Teamwide Shield for 2200 Gold is pretty awesome, we even see some pro top lane tanks building it.

300 HP 75% Mana Regen 125% HP Regen 10% CDR 10% Shielding and Healing Teamwide delayed active that heals allies and deals some true damage to enemies with a good cast range, and can be cast while dead for 2100 gold is pretty awesome.

Together for 4300 Gold (500 more than Deathcap, 467 more than Tri, or 700 more than IE) Gives a good amount of good stats all non black mage supports need with two awesome actives.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

You ask me why I think they overvalue the items.

I literally linked you to a post saying "they fetishize teamfighting"

Therefore I think they overvalue the items because they fetishize teamfighting.

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

That can't be the only reason you think they're overvalued.

They work amazingly in skrimishing situations too. Or against assassins trying to kill the ADC.

MysterQMay 3, 20172 votes

Is this sarcasm? I really can't tell.

Lots of support items... and you list exactly 6(7). Ok, sure is a lot. You also left some off, but that is ok.

Supports really just don't have a lot of items at all. And any good support items will taken to another role unless it has some limiter to support only.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Ha so there are even more than what I listed! More evidence to support my claim, thank you <3

Also I addressed your 3rd topic in my post, be sure to read it again.

MysterQMay 3, 20171 votes

Knight's Vow (no one) Mikaels Crucible (fine)

Still not enough variety in support items.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Homie, you are ignoring my post. Re-read it and try again.

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

Do you know why people buy item 3107 and item 3190 1st?

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

What?

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

What do you mean what?

Gold Income, Sightstone, Boots, Redemption, and Locket are basically the core to any non black mage support.

My question to you is do you know why it is that way?

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Ah, misread your first post.

And yeah, it's because tournament players are obsessed and fetishize teamfighting and they give a lot of power for teamfights, especially with the popular way for them to teamfight is to politely avoid conflict while either side is on cooldown.

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

Pro players fetishize teamfighting, in a 5v5 team strategy game, who knew.

We see Pro players do 1-3-1 split push comps or 1-4 split push comps all the time, so that can't be entirely true.

Pro players teamfight because they challenge objectives such as Towers, Dragon, or Baron. If the other team doesn't answer the challenge they give away free gold and map control (Towers) or buffs (Dragon/Baron).

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

I know you're not so dumb as to think that the only way to obtain objectives is through teamfighting, right?

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

... They challenge the other team, meaning if you don't stop them they will take it. Which is why you see the baron dance so often in pro games.

I also talked about split pushing, do you have selective reading? Only see what you want to see?

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Well you talk about splitpushing, but you seem to disregard it as a way to obtain objectives.

Specifically by the fact that you say "they splitpush" but then immediately follow up by saying "they teamfight because they want objectives and if they don't teamfight then they don't get objectives"

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

No where in my statement did I say Teamfighting is the only way of getting a objective. I said you see it so often because they challenge the other team with objectives.

You can run a 1-4 and send Fiora to split but chances are in a pro game that the 5 man will than dive the 4 man or siege against them and take the structures faster than Fiora can solo. Which again is why you see Pro teams teamfighting so often, or while Fiora is on your tier 2 turret you can than go rush baron to make the 4 come to you and possibly force Fiora to expend her TP and than back off weakening her split push to the idea that if she does it again she can no longer TP if you challenge baron.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

True, I establish that I concluded that you disregard splitpushing as a way to obtain objectives.

but chances are

Thanks for agreeing with me! I'm not sure why you said so many words when you could have just said "you're right."

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

You concluded that I said something I didn't?

Interesting, just how little you really know.

Glad you agree with me though, I'll teach you to be better at this game, someday you'll get better.

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

Yes...yes I did. That is literally what I just said. I even explained how I reached my conclusion. You really need to pay attention when having a conversation. :/

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

Lol, except you concluded wrong?

Which makes you wrong?

You really need to learn to read and analyze better.

Don't worry though, I will help you learn and get better at League!

Tobias BracknerMay 3, 20171 votes

...yes of course I am wrong. You clarified what you meant and I agreed that I misinterpreted your post.

This has nothing to do with reading/analysis. I came to a conclusion with evidence and you clarified your position (albeit implicitly)

MrHaZeYoMay 3, 20171 votes

Oh so we agree, you're wrong, on to the next post? Seeing how every post I explain why something is bad or just not as viable, you argue, lose and move on the the next stupid thread.

Maybe instead of coming up with these bronze Ideas, you work and improve you're gameplay and you'll understand why these ideas you used to have are all awful.