Can we please make Maw and Zhonya's equal?

The Taco Kat·Jul 10, 2016·6 votes·513 views

Can you increase the passive shield to the same time as zhonya's (120 second cd)? Seeing as maw is more gold efficient (yes, even after the nerfs) and has a better build path and also automatically goes off unlike zhonya's, it still feels like AD champions (especially AD assassins) are still stronger compared to the AP ones. Zhonya's still has no armor gain and 5 ap with 10% cdr, and that's all you get for 800 gold. Either add that measly +5 extra armor back or increase the cooldown of maw. I'm seriously getting sick of the enemy AD being able to buy that and resist burst while still getting every stat they want.

Maw (93.69% gold efficient, 113.69% when passive is activated) Zhonya's (92.73% gold efficient without active *keep in mind the active is worth anywhere from no to indefinite value)

9 Comments

CherysseJul 10, 20163 votes

I believe that the problem lies within item 3155 vs item 3191 it would be good if they finally made Armguard stronger or if they made it stack faster

The Taco KatJul 10, 20161 votes

I have to admit, so many people tell me to build Seeker's versus Zed first item (a Kat player) and then buy your next key item. I tried to go Seeker's>Luden's, I've tried Seeker's>Abyssal, and even just straight to Zhonya's. I lose all of the little kill pressure I have as any APC when someone buys that item, and I feel useless when I buy Zhonya's and Seeker's first item because they feel so terrible over Hexdrinker alone. The worst part is the shield scales better with the magic resistance you get, including the stats from Maw.

Very Hard EngageJul 10, 20161 votes

id rather see maw turned into an active shield like seraphs or just a use like zhonyas such that its worthless unless you press a button, removing the auto fail safe.

and ends up downright useless when they get CC'd anyway

if not then theres the argument why not have seraphs auto proc when near death instead too? because im sure someone who builds seraphs is sitting near OOM so very often...

The Taco KatJul 10, 20161 votes

It really should be an active, honestly, because: A) You can't used Zhonya's when under cc, and if you could, that'd be broken as all hell. B) Maw just does it on its own, even when cc'd, and creates so much toxicity between the two. - Make Maw only be allowed to trigger when not cc'd if you don't want it as an active, even. I'd rather have that than anything. C) The AD roles already has so many damn defensive options... It's not even funny.

Phantom Dancer - 12% reduced damage with attack speed and movement speed, along with crit chance, and even features a ghosting effect.
Maw - Massive Shield with decent amount of MR and AD, along with Armor Penetration, Spell Vamp, Life Steal... All on one item!
Sterak's - Massive Shield (THAT ALSO GOES OFF AUTOMATICALLY) with decent amount of HP AND AD.
Merc Treads - Since there are no Armor Pen boots (yet), they get another defensive stat on their boots and... What's that? Tenacity? And Magic Resist on boots? Hell yes.
Mercurial Scimitar - a Cleanse, Magic Resist, Life Steal, Movement Speed, and the ongoing trend of a ton of damage again?
Death's Dance - 15% of damage is taken as a bleed instead, with high AD, Life Steal/Spell Vamp, and CDR.
Black Cleaver (since it is being used on carries more than bruisers atm) - HP, % Armor Pen, AD, Movement Speed, and more CDR.
Frozen Mallet - Health and AD, with a slow effect on top of it.

That list was meant to be small. Instead, I realized an enemy AD champion can reduce SO MUCH DAMAGE while still dealing a ton.

TOTAL: 100 Magic Resist Two Shields 30% Tenacity Cleanse 15% Damage Taken as a Bleed 12% Damage is Reduced from Last Target Hit 1300 HP 30% Armor Penetration 45 Movement Speed, 20/60 from Black Cleaver 25% Base AD Bonus 285 AD ...and so much more.

Now I understand those aren't the stats you'll get from those items, as there are 8 items there, but you can only buy 6. Either way, you can adapt in so many ways, while AP gets what? Zhonya's, Liandry's, Rylai's, Ninja Tabi, RoA, Hextech GLP, Abyssal (useless versus AD) and Zeke's. Now that sounds like a lot, but when you think about it, those are all health items excluding 3 of them, which offer low defensive stats anyways aside from Abyssal... Except Abyssal is worthless when facing AD.

ChaddyFantomeJul 10, 20161 votes

Why are we pretending a temporary magic damage shield when ur low on HP is the same as an invincibility button.

Very Hard EngageJul 10, 20161 votes

because on abilities which would otherwise one shot you it auto procs and takes the damage out of the shield first saving many lives.

The Taco KatJul 10, 20162 votes

You can also move while that shield is up and still deal damage, with a few exceptions for the counterpart.

ChaddyFantomeJul 10, 20161 votes

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because on abilities which would otherwise one shot you it auto procs and takes the damage out of the shield first saving many lives.

Unless you had enough damage to kill then anyway, in which case the shield is irrelevant. and even then, your target is low low enough that they can be taken out with another rotation of picked off by a teammate. if they get caught out, that shield doesnt matter.

Zonhyas on the other hand makes you invincible. You cant over damage a zhonyas.

They aren't directly comparable.

Very Hard EngageJul 11, 20161 votes

1v1 maw > zhonyas, any day.

1v5 zhonyas isn't going to save your life unless your team backs you up. you will get insta killed upon release unless enemy team messes up

1v5 maw might because it has extra combat stats.