Sighstone should be REMOVED

Macilento·Feb 7, 2016·7 votes·622 views

Because let's face it. No one would buy this item if you had the possibilities to have vision in other ways.

What trinkets showed us is that (with proper balance) you could basically play the vision games with just trinkets. If you imagine a game where the vision (and vision denial) is played only by trinkets you would find yourself not in need of buying this item anyore.

What is the problem with sighstone?: Riot said they want the vision to be played by all team members, and 1 players (the support or jungler) should not be forced into being a living ward-bot for all the game.

Think about it, right now it's the total opposite. Now more then ever supports are FORCED to buy this item because green wards no longer exist.

The vision game would be really played by everyone only if:

the trinkets become the main and ONLY way to get vision (+ pink wards)
sighstone get removed

17 Comments

MrwiOzV6pBFeb 7, 20162 votes

game with only trinkets? Lol what are you mad. like 90% of summoner rift has no vision. Even 1 support with a sightstone can only "sorta" cover 1/4 of the map. Plus you can't rely on teammates to actually ward. Half the time I see enemy supports not even getting sightstone and people on my team barely putting down 5 trinkets the entire game.

MacilentoFeb 7, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Rob,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OHGzdJso,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-07T14:24:23.402+0000)

game with only trinkets? Lol what are you mad. like 90% of summoner rift has no vision. Even 1 support with a sightstone can only "sorta" cover 1/4 of the map.

if your ead the post, i said Trinkets with significant balance and tuning. So tat they would work more like a sighstone and so on

MrwiOzV6pBFeb 7, 20161 votes

That's what makes the game fun though. There's no point in the jungle if you can light up your entire jungle. If everyone got x2 trinkets that would be 10 wards vs the norm right now is ~7 wards with support getting sightstone. That's not even counting vision wards. There would literally be no element of surprise. Plus all the laners would have to ward while the support has 1 less ward to worry about.

ErockandrollFeb 7, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Rob,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OHGzdJso,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-07T14:33:38.170+0000)

That's what makes the game fun though. There's no point in the jungle if you can light up your entire jungle. If everyone got x2 trinkets that would be 10 wards vs the norm right now is ~7 wards with support getting sightstone. That's not even counting vision wards. There would literally be no element of surprise. Plus all the laners would have to ward while the support has 1 less ward to worry about.

If we're talking LCS level, (or if we just love vision.) we would probably be looking at 8 or 9 wards, when we include Tracker's knife. (And unless your going to be power ganking, or dueling the enemy Jungler, you probably should go Tracker's) But their are reasons why Vision is probably best when discriminated against the support. (And the Jungler) Part of it is because it open's them up to get sweeping lenses instead, where vision denial is also important. But also because supports and Junglers are not bound to lane, they can move vision to where ever they needed it. While anyone else would lose their CS if they went out of lane to ward. Which is why supports and Junglers benefit from having early game warding items.

Arguably, we could have simply increased vision denial tools to compensate. (and actually we did) My guess is that riot looked at last season and decided. "Players are spending way too much time clearing wards, let's just reduce the number available." You see, I think the "Fight for vision" was a bigger problem than the total amount of vision at any one point.

khorneyFeb 7, 20161 votes

the only time i never buy ss is if im playing as janna simply becuase i like to have talis and other items on her, but the reason is she has such a huge disengage which is why i rarely get it on her.

LilxPaprikaFeb 7, 20161 votes

idk i like the idea of someone devoting more ressources to it as it will naturally happen anyways. since you cannot share gold and hyper carries cannot legitimize putting ressources towards wards you need to divert it onto supports. unless supports rely as much upon items, it will always be best to put ward stewardship in their hands.

that is so long as vision has a cost assigned to it. they would have to remove the cost entirely for it to work imo.

DaxanaterFeb 7, 20161 votes

item 3363 another pink but doesn't see other wards and you can place as many as you want.

khorneyFeb 7, 20161 votes

i agree . remove ss and grant 2 pink wards on the field per a player

MacilentoFeb 7, 20161 votes

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i agree . remove ss and grant 2 pink wards on the field per a player

Could be a decent trade. i think it could work

khorneyFeb 7, 20162 votes

Up vote this people

MacilentoFeb 7, 20161 votes

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Up vote this people

yeah, hope others share my sentiment ^^

Streetlight ManFeb 7, 20161 votes

Vision is played by everyone already in high tier. Sightstone just allows for more vision

MacilentoFeb 7, 20161 votes

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Vision is played by everyone already in high tier. Sightstone just allows for more vision

Played by everyone yes... but not FULLY by everyone. Evne in LCs and pro play supports right now says that they are absolutely the only tool of cosntant vision the team has

Streetlight ManFeb 7, 20161 votes

Then their team needs to step up their warding game. A good team can have a map completely warded. If everyone just bought a pink ward and upgraded their trinkets, things would be much easier

Streetlight ManFeb 7, 20161 votes

Look, dude, people should be warding anyways. Sightstone is not a impedement to warding, it just allows for more vision on the map. People shouldn't NOT be warding just because there is a sightstone in the game. Obviously, sightstone is not the problem, it's just that others never ward. They never by pinks (only 75 gold outta your pocket), they never upgrade their trinkets, and if they do, they barely use them. Then when there isn't vision, they blame the guys with the sightstone, even if all of his wards are out

Tl;dr: ward more. Someone else having a sightstone isn't a reason to not ward

The LovelessFeb 7, 20161 votes

If they do delete it (and I somewhat agree since I'd rather buy other items to benefit my stats as a support, although the new eyeball gp5 items are great), then we need shorter cooldowns on yellow trinket or it needs the cap raised to 3 per person past level 9.

On the other hand, what's the point of playing the game if you could see every part of the map? There's nothing exciting about seeing the enemy run up on you. We need the element of surprise to keep it interesting, so vision should definitely be around but it shouldn't be too safe of a game.