Can someone please explain to me why they think the new WW rework is in any way a good think?
Its a kit the is basically rewarded to split push since from his what I can guess from his number its going to be next to impossible to 1v1 if you don't have an inherently strong 1v1 kit and can go semi-tank like Darius
Craft Zeppelin3 votesIts just fits in his lore, and character real good while still having the good parts of his pre-rework kit.
Master Artoria1 votesHis new lore, yes since they completely scraped his old lore so its not that surprising it fits
Oleandervine2 votesHe's heavily AA dependent, so once he pops his R and Q, he's relegated to autos to get damage though with thr occasional Q woven in when it's up. AA slows can mess him up severely, as can kiting.
Packun Flower2 votesHe looks like a bruiser yes but i cant see him being a split pusher with that kit. I suspect he will be played more like Rengar and Kha as in you roam and find stray squishes and in team fights i susprct he will have to use his fear to disperse a grouped up team and ult the carry right after.
Thats what id do anyway.
Sogreth2 votesHe looks pug fugly. Remove that gross thing on his back and we'll talk.
10xDoublelift1 voteshave you seen his ult and game play, he literally stole baron from rift scutler
TheFallenShaw1 votessaw him solo dragon level 4 with only Tiamat and hunter machetie, no smite or pots or abilitys used
TheFallenShaw1 votesYour wrong, his kit is made for ganking not split pushing. It just so happens great gankers are exlcent split pushers bc of their mobility. 1v1? Ganking isn't really about 1v1, its about 2v1 and happens during the laning phase before split pushing can even be done. Why you seem unable to understand then beats the hell out of me. I'm Bronze and can understand it.
The WW rework is good because it fits his lore, and if you compare it to the current WW, its better in almost everyway. Its one lacing feature is the ability to buff ally attack speed, that's all. He's a better fighter in the rework in terms of survivability, damage output, and mobility while retaining his bruiser AD and HP Why is it so hard for you to understand that simple fact?
Master Artoria1 votesTell me something at what point did I ever say the only thing that WW will be able to do is split push. Obviously he's going to gank during the laning phase but once that's over and his ability to makes picks as easily is gone he's going to turn into a split pusher, much like Shaco but unlike Shaco due to to the nature of his kit plus the items (most likely buriser items) he's going to be incredibly powerful late game in a 1v1 situation because of how much free life steal he gets plus his damage reduction.
As for fitting his lore I can't say much since I don't remember his old lore but wasn't he like a hunter that tried to hunt down Soraka.
As for you last point it seems to me that you are the one that's not understanding me. As you said he has better survivability, damage output and mobility while also keeping his AD and HP.
Do you remember when Riot changed Darius's passive from magic to AD because it was unfair since it made building against him hard since his passive meant you won since the enemy laner had to rush armor but your passive still did a lot of damage , well its the same thing here. All of his ability has mixed damage in it. His passive adds 10 magic damage at level 1 while at 18 it adds 44, with a last wit that's 84 magic damage per AA but on top of that it heals you for the same amount below 50% health while below 25% it triples, meaning its 132 at level 18 but when you add Runic armor that makes his life steal 8% stronger, plus Spirit Visage which increases the effectiveness of all health restoration by 25% and with warlords blood lust his life steal is going to become stupidly strong
His Q again has mixed damage, It does % Hp magic damage while also having a 120 AD scaling on a 6 second cool down while also healing you from 30-70%
His W passively gives attack speed against champions below 50% health all the way up to 110% and with the bonus movement speed its going to be next to impossible to get away from him, plus his E gives him damage % reduction while also letting him cc multi-able enemy.
Then his ult and oh look that, again its mixed damage that's going to apply all on hit effects and heal him for 100% of all the damage he deals. The problem that I have with this kit is that it has so much sustain in it that hes going to be nearly impossible to 1v1, making him a fantastic Split pusher
TheFallenShaw1 votesRiot stated he was prob a bit over tuned, so like all champs he'll get small nerfs and be banned until then. You asked why his kit was a good thing, so I answered. its good bc its better than it is. Currently its crap, yeah it might be OP but to me OP until nerfed into balance is better than crap. Your right I did mis understand the 2nd part, but he still needed this rework. He just wasn't viable the higher you go as stated by many youtubers, and there was always better options to do the job he does now. So yeah its good.
Master Artoria1 votesI didn't ask why his rework was a good thing, I asked why everyone else only says positive things about this overturned kit. The fact that Riot has said he probably over tuned makes it even worse, since they see the problem but they just don't care enough to have the balance team do its job, similar how Lee sin is allowed to stay strong cause he's a "flashy" champion.
Shonjl1 votesTell me something at what point did I ever say the only thing that WW will be able to do is split push. Obviously he's going to gank during the laning phase but once that's over and his ability to makes picks as easily is gone he's going to turn into a split pusher, much like Shaco but unlike Shaco due to to the nature of his kit plus the items (most likely buriser items) he's going to be incredibly powerful late game in a 1v1 situation because of how much free life steal he gets plus his damage reduction.
As for fitting his lore I can't say much since I don't remember his old lore but wasn't he like a hunter that tried to hunt down Soraka.
As for you last point it seems to me that you are the one that's not understanding me. As you said he has better survivability, damage output and mobility while also keeping his AD and HP.
Do you remember when Riot changed Darius's passive from magic to AD because it was unfair since it made building against him hard since his passive meant you won since the enemy laner had to rush armor but your passive still did a lot of damage , well its the same thing here. All of his ability has mixed damage in it. His passive adds 10 magic damage at level 1 while at 18 it adds 44, with a last wit that's 84 magic damage per AA but on top of that it heals you for the same amount below 50% health while below 25% it triples, meaning its 132 at level 18 but when you add Runic armor that makes his life steal 8% stronger, plus Spirit Visage which increases the effectiveness of all health restoration by 25% and with warlords blood lust his life steal is going to become stupidly strong
His Q again has mixed damage, It does % Hp magic damage while also having a 120 AD scaling on a 6 second cool down while also healing you from 30-70%
His W passively gives attack speed against champions below 50% health all the way up to 110% and with the bonus movement speed its going to be next to impossible to get away from him, plus his E gives him damage % reduction while also letting him cc multi-able enemy.
Then his ult and oh look that, again its mixed damage that's going to apply all on hit effects and heal him for 100% of all the damage he deals. The problem that I have with this kit is that it has so much sustain in it that hes going to be nearly impossible to 1v1, making him a fantastic Split pusher
Ohh no, this item and its upgrade 
and this item 
exist. Learn to build, those items will literally destroy his lifesteal. He is meant to be a drain tank, if you don't counter it, you better be able to burst him. Its basically no different than he currently is. WW can 1v5 if people go at him 1-2 at a time and they can't blow him up.
Master Artoria1 votesWhile yes, executioner's calling does ruin his healing ability that doesn't change the fact that if an adc tries to 1v1 WW they are still going to die since he has so much mixed damage with high ratios and a damage reduction.
As for morellonomicon it is such a worthless item against drain tanks that its not even worth mentioning.
Shonjl1 votesWhile yes, executioner's calling does ruin his healing ability that doesn't change the fact that if an adc tries to 1v1 WW they are still going to die since he has so much mixed damage with high ratios and a damage reduction.
As for morellonomicon it is such a worthless item against drain tanks that its not even worth mentioning.
ADCs shouldn't be 1v1ing a Bruiser? That is kinda the point of them after all. Bruisers and Juggernauts are meant to be carry killers. ADC can only win if they are ahead or kite extremely well, but even then you generally can't evade a Bruiser or Juggernaut forever alone.
Also why would his mixed damage mean anything to an ADC? They build little to no resist so he could deal pure true damage for all they care and it would mean nothing different against an ADC. You are arguing something that is entirely irrelevant to a class of champions. If you were talking about Tanks or other Bruisers going against him then sure you may have something but you aren't.
And why are you even freaking out about WW? He more or less is the same as he used to be, if you weren't crying about him before, why are you now? He basically has the same kit just more modern.
Wh1teWu1f1 votesHe's a champ that really doesn't get played often, and when he does it's extremely boring, not to mention he's a beginner jungling champ (I'd go as far to say that any jungler has played WW at least once while first learning how to jungle), and concept wise (or I suppose lore wise) he's actually very intriguing and all of that combined makes him a popular champ besides his current kit. Now that he has what looks to be a fun and interesting kit, I'm sure he'll be popular for a long time, even after nerfs.
TheFallenShaw1 votesfoxdrop on youtube stated the current ww is the most brain dead easy jug there is you can play. just a little side note
LoLTyrant1 votesi just think he looks more badass and a better kit to boot :D
Shuriman Curator1 votesHe looks really fun to play so im going to have a go at him. I never liked the current Warwick.
GemCrash1 voteshave an inherently strong 1v1 kit
Well the problem is ww won't be the only one, there are shit ton of champions in this league that indeed have insanely strong 1v1 kits. What does this mean? This means WW will not be the only cancer in the game, he will just be a new member of the cancer fight. The problem here isn't about one single champion, it's about design team should stop taking drugs while working. Until then, nothing will save this game.
Master Artoria1 votesRiot has a balance team? I always assumed they just throw darts at random ideas on a wall and that's how they decide who gets buffed and who get s nerfed
PermabannedGaren1 votesWell the problem is ww won't be the only one, there are shit ton of champions in this league that indeed have insanely strong 1v1 kits. What does this mean? This means WW will not be the only cancer in the game, he will just be a new member of the cancer fight. The problem here isn't about one single champion, it's about design team should stop taking drugs while working. Until then, nothing will save this game.
Some champions are strong at dueling. Some champions are strong at team fighting.
Why can't both exist? Learn to adapt to handle the former type of champion.
Master Artoria1 votesA champion should not be able to be strong at both at the same time
VoidStaresBack1 votesJust because a champion is a strong duelist does not make them an inherently strong split-pusher.
For one, Warwick is unlikely to build a lot of AS or a high amount of AD, like most dangerous splitpushers do. His kit contains an incredibly powerful AS steroid, but it requires him to be fighting an enemy champion to use, making it useless in a splitpush scenario. He has no AOE abilities to quickly burn down a wave and has to resort to autoattacking each and ever minion to death. Without a lot of AD or AS he can't break towers quickly, and since his kit and playstyle requires him to stay alive in teamfights not building tanky undermines his ability to actually fight.
Conversely, Warwick is an excellent pick champion and teamfighter with his rework. His ultimate is an excellent tool for making picks on the enemy backline from range, serving as a secondary form of initiation, his e allows him to disrupt the enemy team and reduce incoming damage, and his w allows him to mop up teamfights should he still be alive at the end of them. As a diver, his job is to go after the enemy back line and try to burn down the enemy carries before turning on the rest of their team, and his new kit enables him to do this.
tl;dr: Warwick's AS steroid only works on champions, making it terrible for splitpushing, while he is actually a good teamfighter now in his role as Diver, thus he is very unlikely to be seen as a frequent splitpusher.
Master Artoria1 votesFirst: ZZ portal and Sunfire makes split pushing possible for champions with low clear speeds Secondly: I would never have brought this up if this was S5 but we all know that towers are paper thin and it doesn't take much for a non-ad champion to take one down, even with only one damage item.
VoidStaresBack1 votesI'm not saying warwick can't splitpush, but nobody is going to pick Warwick to splitpush with him. If you want a splitpush god in the jungle, you'd pick Tryndamere, Master Yi, Jax, etc. One of the skirmisher junglers, who can actually tear through towers like they're made of tissue paper. Someone like Warwick is going to take their sweet-ass time bringing them down even with a Zz'rot.
Meanwhile, Warwick can contribute a lot to teamfights, so you're actually losing out if you're using him as a "splitpush only" champion. A suppression and an AOE fear on a champion with decent survivability is nothing to scoff at.
In other words: warwick can split push as well as any other non-pushing duelist, but he's so far weaker at it than the top tier splitpushers while being a useful teamfighter that he's never going to actually see use in that role as an exclusive role for him. The most I can see him is as a splitpusher is a heavily snowballed game, since his blood scent will allow him to get to fights to mop up quickly from whichever side lane he's pushing.
PermabannedGaren1 votesCan someone please explain to me why they think the new WW rework is in any way a good think?
Its a kit the is basically rewarded to split push since from his what I can guess from his number its going to be next to impossible to 1v1 if you don't have an inherently strong 1v1 kit and can go semi-tank like Darius
See, here's the thing: Warwick is already next to impossible to 1v1.
In fact, that Darius dude you mentioned? Warwick as of right now, live, pre-rework, will easily beat Darius one on one late game. With almost no effort. Darius will barely dent his health bar as Warwick sustains and DPS's him down.
Just today I played Warwick.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2398125844/211504336
I dueled him at about 16:40.
My items were I believe:
I was fed, but so was he, he won lane and was level 11 while I was level 10.
We dueled in the top river, and I barely won. I might have actually died to Noxian Might hemorrhage, but took a health plant from the river to survive it.
Come late game when both of us were full build, there was no question about who would win in a 1v1. I could dominate anyone on the enemy team solo.
Warwick is not a good champion. But he has consistently been one of the best 1v1 champions in the game.