How is rank fair anymore.
Can someone tell me how it's fair in ranked that I have to verse Plat players in order to get out of silver?
Can someone tell me how it's fair in ranked that I have to verse Plat players in order to get out of silver?
in bronze 2 and have to fight high silver low gold it sucks lol
See I never understood why you have to verse people that rank about you. Bronze should verse bronze not gold
But then how would the game know you are fit to play in silver? Yeah you've proven you can beat bronze players. But what about silvers?
By versing fucking silvers. You prove you're too good for Bronze so you verse silver, if you prove you're too good for silver you verse Gold. That's the point of having divisions.
Okay so you agree that by beating players of a higher division = you are climbing? So then why are you that mad you are facing a plat player? Especially if they were likely dyna boosted there and have terrible MMR...
i think you miss understood me. When I say "you prove you're too good for Bronze you verse silver" I don't mean that as the system starts to match you with higher ranked players, I mean it as in you got out of Bronze and am now in Silver.
My problem is when I have to verse people who are a higher rank in order to get to another rank.
The point of division is to seperate players into a set level area.
Let's say people skill could be 100% predicted by the system and that each game you went into versed people who were the exact same skill level. They should all be the same rank in that case, as the skill level should be matched.
The problem I have is that I have to repitativly prove not only can I prove that I can beat people who are better the me but that I can also carry all the idiots and trash who are either having a bad game, have no idea what they are doing or are just being trolls. So now I not only have to beat people better the. I'm, I have to try and carry people who are worse then me and before any one says the whole " enemy team has a better chance of getting a troll" thing I've heard it all before.
TLDR : I shouldn't have to prove that I can beat people who or one or two tiers above me while also being expected to carry people who are below me. Bronze should only verse Bronze and silver should only verse silver
My problem is when I have to verse people who are a higher rank in order to get to another rank.
I'm gonna ask again because even you seem to be missing your own point. If I can't consistently beat silver level players while in Bronze then why do I deserve to be in silver? Because what you describe in your post is almost exactly how the system works. Right now I'm silver 2 ~40LP and in majority of my games I see at least 1 gold level player. By winning that game I've proven to the system that I can play at a level somewhere relative to low gold. And if I keep preforming consistently I will be gold. Once in G5 I'll probably start seeing G3s in most of my games and so on...
The point of division is to seperate players into a set level area.
And it does. Yes smurfs exist and every once and a while you will face a plat but that's part of the game. The system isn't perfect just as people won't be.
I think the only one missing my point here is you. Since you seem to not understand let me use another game as an example. In the Monster Hunter Series you get give quest based on experience. So this means you start with Rank 1 quest, and then once you have done so many you get given Rank 2 mission. The idea here is to prove you can handle things at that level before being given something harder, not prove you can beat the harder quest so you can take the harder quest.
Same thing should be applied here, or at least at lower level where skill level varies so much cause it has such a huge amount of the rank player bases and to prove that you can beat gold, shouldn't that be the idea behind you're promo's since the idea of them is to get into the next Rank.
The division are not set into set level area's cause I said above, the majority of the Rank player base in in Bronze-Gold. The thing that is required is consistency and unfortunately that's where League falls down. One game you can play with a mix of high Silvers and low golds and next game you can verse a Plat with a team of low Silvers and even if it happens only once every 30 games that's still upsetting what should be an experiences that should be as balanced as possible.
Now, if this was a game were everyone cause get thought the laning phase only having to worry about their own lane, then yes versing a Plat wouldn't matter as much cause I could get fed in my own lane and hope to carry but the main difference between a Plat play and a silver/gold player is they Plat's understand rotation and how to snow ball their win in lane into a win in another lane and once two lanes are lost the game is basically over, mainly cause Riot wanted game to be "flashy" and end quicker, so they added more snow ball features, plus the damage creep this season is utterly ridiculous, look at Graves and Elise. Both of them have ridicules damage at all stages of the game.
exactly
This is the fundimental hate that people have with dynamic.
In past season I would often be facing players ranked higher if in silver or gold but that was because of my MMR. Seeing Plats in mid silver for a silver who is not dominating most game is demoralizing.
During my first 2 week or so of ranked even though I was placed in S4 the only thing i versed was Gold and Plat players. This season is so fucked up
During my first 2 week or so of ranked even though I was placed in S4 the only thing i versed was Gold and Plat players. This season is so fucked up
Was it at the start of the season? Because if it was that makes total sense and it is that way every year. After the rank soft reset at the start of the season everyone drops a few divisions or a tier in rank. So yea it was the same for me. I dropped from gold 5 to silver 5 and my entire time through silver all I played with and against were gold and plat players. (well season 5 gold/plat players). It will be like that next season as well until players get back to their actual ranks.
No, I only stated Rank a month or two ago
hmm I guess your account had high mmr. New accounts usually have a higher starting mmr and if you had an ok record the game probably said your mmr was higher than the rank you had. So even though you were in silver you may have had close to gold mmr and that is why you were playing with higher rank players. That is just my guess though.
I know how the MMR system works, that's my problem with it. If i was placed in Silver I should only have to verse other silvers or at least low Gold. I shouldn't have to verse Plat players just to get to Gold
BRO their rank might be plat but its obvious they were fucking boosted in platinum. They are still silver levelled players dont get it twisted
Incorrect. Thanks to Dynamic Q if you have a Gold make the game you can duo with a Plat as a silver and even if they are fucking boosted I shouldn't have to verse people 2 tiers higher then me to get to Gold, SOMETHING THAT IS A TIER LOWER THEN THEM.
Nonono you have that all wrong. If I have a friend who is a gold invite both me and a plat to a game either the lobby kicks me or the plat based on who accepted first. Dynamic Queue will not allow a plat in the same lobby as a silver. The system is designed that way.
Incorrect. Thanks to Dynamic Q if you have a Gold make the game you can duo with a Plat as a silver and even if they are fucking boosted I shouldn't have to verse people 2 tiers higher then me to get to Gold, SOMETHING THAT IS A TIER LOWER THEN THEM.
As a plat, i can assure you that its not possible to queue up with silver players.
Then people have been lying to me
Have you noticed how those Plats play? Think about it. They basically have Silver MMR on Plat and that should tell you something
That tells me that they should be in Silver and not Plat if they have lost that many games. Instead we have a system that goes "oh you're a Plat player who's having a bad losing streak or are just boosted,well here is some easier opponents so you don't lose rank"
The problem with having the MMR ranking is that it makes your actual rank pointless
Well if they are on your level skillfully shouldnt it be fair in that case? or am I missing something here
The point is why should I have to concistantanly beat plats in order to get to gold.
I get the system try's to "balance" our teams but what that is doing really is punishing me for concistantanly being better then silver plays but without any of the rewards like the Viktorius as I hit a wall at S1 cause I have to verse high gold, low plat In order to get out of silver
Thats how the system goes. You fight against higher "level" players and if you succeed you join them.
Except I'm not "joining then" as amazingly as it might seem to you, Plat is above gold and I'm only silver
well you will eventually if you git gud
Typical response from a boosted scrub. If you having nothing of value to add to the conversation please don't talk, you're just wasting what few brain cells you have.
It's not. Because the game is designed to be a never ending money funnel. The longer you struggle to win a game with 4 retards on your team. The more you accept defeat and start to go for looks, Yeah I might have died 19 times but it looked sick in that super galaxy rumble skin 50% off right now.
Can someone tell me how it's fair in ranked that I have to verse Plat players in order to get out of silver?
You get paired against people who have similar MMR to you, not Rank. For example, you're currently Silver. If you are constantly winning, your MMR is much higher than your rank indicates. Meanwhile, your opponent who managed to get into Plat (lucky streak?), but is losing constantly, he has MMR much lower than his rank indicates... so you end up paired up against them. His rank may be two tiers above your own, but your MMR says you belong MUCH higher (and your LP gains will reflect that), while your opponent's MMR says he does NOT belong where he is at, and his LP LOSSES will try to get him down to where he belongs.
That's it. Sorry for the wall-o-text.
When i first started ranked I was placed in S4 but I never played against other Silvers until I got to S1. Before that the only thing I ever versed was Gold and Plat. The problem is what the point of have a "rank" when it means nothing cause of the hidden rank (mmr). If im in silver I should only have to verse silver, I shouldn't have to verse Plat to get to gold and if he is doing so bad then he should be in silver, not in Plat versing Silver Cause of having a shit MMR, as some people can go on tilt form just seeing something like that.
Never mind its super easy to get a Plat into you're game if you and him have a Gold friend since you can just duo and get carried.
The point of the rank is that your rank isn't your actual rank until you're at about a 50/50 win/loss ratio. Until then you're either moving up to (higher win/loss) or dropping down to (lower win/loss) your rank. The game cannot magically know what your actual rank is in only a small number of games, not until you're at roughly 50/50. At that point you'll notice your LP gains and loses are almost identical.
Also, look at it this way: That Plat and Gold you're facing while in Silver? Those two aren't where they belong and they're dropping... or better yet, YOU'RE not where you belong and you're CLIMBING to where you belong... you're as good or better than they are.
Change your mindset and you'll see that what you're experiencing is a GOOD thing.
LOL experiencing good? Like hell i am, I've had to redo My gold Promos 5 times already cause every time i get to them, I either A) Get idiots so dumb its impossible to win (fucking adc lulu, so stupid) or B) I verse a premade plat team.
And i've said it a a lot here already but ill say it again, DYNAMIC QUE MAKES WHAT YOU SAID COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT since its possible for Silver to now Duo With a Plat if you have a Gold make the game
LOL experiencing good? Like hell i am, I've had to redo My gold Promos 5 times already cause every time i get to them, I either A) Get idiots so dumb its impossible to win (fucking adc lulu, so stupid) or B) I verse a premade plat team.
And i've said it a a lot here already but ill say it again, DYNAMIC QUE MAKES WHAT YOU SAID COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT since its possible for Silver to now Duo With a Plat if you have a Gold make the game
No, I meant that if you're facing players of a higher rank than you, it means you probably belong at a higher rank.
And no, a Silver cannot be in a Dynamic Queue with a Platinum friend just because a Gold friend started the group. All players have to be no more than one tier apart. As a Gold, I cannot queue with a Diamond friend just because a Plat friend made the queue any more than I can queue with a Bronze friend just because a Silver friend made the queue.
Yes that's what i mean, I shouldn't have to verse those people until I get to that rank, not try and struggle against people of a higher rank with people who don't belong at that rank
If that's true then i've been lied to
Yes that's what i mean, I shouldn't have to verse those people until I get to that rank, not try and struggle against people of a higher rank with people who don't belong at that rank
If that's true then i've been lied to
No, I mean that if you're playing AGAINST people with a higher "rank" than you, then it means that EITHER YOU don't belong in the rank you're in and the system is having you face opponents higher than you so you can win MORE LP and lose LESS LP... OR THE OPPONENTS don't belong where they are at and the system is having them face you so THEY lose MORE LP and win LESS.
The system is TRYING to get people to where they belong. Stop worrying about your Rank and just focus on getting better and winning.
Lol focus on getting better? There is only so much you can do before you'r team mates start to drag you down cause they suck.
And right back to where we started, how is it fair I have to verse harder opponents to clime at a lower Rank. If i'm in silver I should not have to deal with Plats just to get to gold, because now the system is punishing me for being better and is making it harder to clime instead of simply letting me just breeze past silver cause im better then them, i have to struggle in silver cause I have to try and beat plats
I just made gold this week, had to play against plats while in silver as a support for the past month. Now that I'm in gold I got to play against a team with two plats, a silver and a lvl 30. I can't wait for this season to be over.
EDIT: Game in question http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z409/Bruser_Mcgee/Gold%205%20game.jpg
Once i did my placement games and got place at S4 I versed nothing but Golds and plats still I got to gold Promos, once that happened I just to play with Silver against Golds and plats :/
Went from Silver 1 80LP recently down to S3 75lp in the past month because no matter how hard i try we always end up losing, even if i do good T.T
Yea i kinda wanted to make a post and ask about this and see if it was like this in the past for gold. Like being only gold 4 and any given game I could be the highest rank in the game or lowest. Like my first game yesterday each team had 2 like plat 3-5 players on the team and everyone else was like gold 1 or 2 and I was gold 4. It definitely makes winning harder. In my second game at least people were more around gold 3 rank.... (although two plat 5s on other team but they were shit so w/e).
Like silver never used to be bad since there so many players so its pretty f'd up that you would be seeing higher ranks in silver or bronze. I just assume gold would vary a little more with a smaller player base but its still a fairly large player base and ranks vary a lot every game. Its almost like being in normal queue.
I know what you mean, and unlike last season, you are forced into one lane. Last season I managed to climb cause I played a few champions in different lanes (Top: Gp, Mid: Viktor or Akali, Jungle: Sej, Vi, Amumu, Sup: Leona, Braum) and managed cause i could go "ok my team has a AD top and mid so ill go a Ap jungler" or "oh they picked Ziggs. I can get fed off him with Viktor and carry". This season its oh look, my mid laner counter picked them self. It wouldn't be so bad if people actually used the intent pick but im still waiting for more then 2 people to use it
I think people don't use intent because they don't want an ally to troll ban their champ.... which shouldn't really happen too often and is usually only if you hovering a champ like
that they were going to ban anyways. But yea people should really use it more or be able to look at the team and change their pick a little so you don't get a full ad team.
In plats its a different matter.
I need to carry goldies in order to reach plat 1, where things start to change.
It's fair in the same way life is. Not at all.