Ryze nerfs will do nothing to SoloQ and Pro-play

DiamondSeed·Sep 12, 2018·2 votes·1,552 views

I will keep winning and he'll still be picked in professional play, the nerfs will do nothing to him.

16 Comments

Rock MDSep 12, 20183 votes

I think we all know what happens when you add/remove half a second to a CC.

It's a lot more impactful than you'd think.

DiamondSeedSep 12, 20181 votes

Seeing as you're an Ahri main, I understand what you're trying to say but Ahri charm is incredibly different than Ryze root. Ryze W doesn't invalidate enemy attacks, summoner spells, or item actives. I would argue that roots are probably the worst source of CC in the game. So no, half a second off Ryze W really doesn't do anything. Maybe you won't be able to escape as often but don't exaggerate.

Rock MDSep 12, 20182 votes

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I would argue that roots are probably the worst source of CC in the game.

Or one of the best if you're against a melee champion. It's still also much stronger than any slow besides maybe Thresh wall.

And remember, if you outduel most champions anyway it doesn't really matter if they can still react and trade back into you, they're still gonna lose that fight. Post 2-3 items Ryze can duel most champions so that tends to happen.

And outside of dueling situations, having that high CC duration just means he can stall you out even longer for his team to collapse and kill you.

Ryze's root has always been problematic in almost every one of his iterations. I'm more apt to believe you're downplaying the skill rather than I'm exaggerating it.

DiamondSeedSep 12, 20181 votes

Or one of the best if you're against a melee champion. It's still also much stronger than any slow besides maybe Thresh wall.

How is a root better than a stun, knock up/down/back, suppression versus melee? Maybe I should have clarified when I said CC because I meant hard CC.

When I'm dueling a champion I hardly use EWQ since I favor DPS over locking them down for 2 seconds and waiting for my EQ to come up. QEQWQEQ is substantially more effective than QEWQEQ. EW is used to lock someone down or run away and if it doesn't work out it really doesn't matter.

Ryze's root was problematic when he could cast it every 2-3s in his last iteration. All I am saying is that for me, 1.5 seconds won't do anything and for any competent professional player 1.5s is a negligible setback.

KythersSep 15, 20181 votes

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D357R0Y3RSep 12, 20181 votes

60% win rate over 100 ryze games very respectable win rate

tho scarra said the nerf was huge guess we will have to see what happens to him in pro

DiamondSeedSep 12, 20182 votes

Honestly, the only possible way for it to affect Ryze is the following;

Laning phase: Maybe EWQ won't be enough time for Ryze to escape a gank/execute a gank but I don't think it will make a difference since .5s is hardly noticeable.

Late game: only time I use EW is to peel for backline or dissuade someone from engage, so 1.5s may not be enough to peel or prevent engage. Otherwise the combo is ALWAYS QEQWQEQ.

Also, from Scarra's match history he doesn't play Ryze so what does he know about .5s shaved off of W.

D357R0Y3RSep 12, 20181 votes

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Also, from Scarra's match history he doesn't play Ryze so what does he know about .5s shaved off of W.

you're totally right thanks for your insight, it's a bit unfortunate that Ryze will still struggle to find balance

I think E+W snare duration was the right target of nerf but as you said 1.5 might be still too much maybe nerf the range from 700 to 600 instead of the duration again

DiamondSeedSep 12, 20181 votes

No, I don't think it was the right nerf. I know what would be a more impactful nerf but I don't think that would be that great either.

wildfox99Sep 12, 20181 votes

i just want to remind that 0.4 sec on Ahri E (an easily dodgable skillshot) made her win rate raise by about 5%,0.5 sec on a point click CC are actually huge for high elo

this won't affect much his soloQ because in this time he can do his combo anyway,but in premade teams or pro play it's a really huge nerf since he have less catch potential,less peel and less escape from ganks

DiamondSeedSep 12, 20181 votes

Ahri charm is VERY different than Ryze root. Ryze W doesn't invalidate enemy attacks, summoner spells, or item actives. Might I also add, that though E is an "easily dodgable skillshot" the projectile speed is decent that if you aren't actively reading their movements that it's very easy to land. Also, the buff to Ahri was an unnecessary buff to a decent champion but Ahri mains constantly beg for buffs. I have seen the Ahri subreddit and it is pathetic.

wildfox99Sep 12, 20181 votes

lol dude,she rly needed a buff since after many nerfs and a bad mini rework she was nearly a trollpick above high plat just for info,it was the first real buff they did to her since her release

also if her playerbase were asking for buffs and after a while riot actually gave them could it be that her mains were actually right?

that though E is an "easily dodgable skillshot" the projectile speed is decent that if you aren't actively reading their movements that it's very easy to land

its cast time it's pretty high,the projectile speed is average as well as the hitbox (maybe just a bit smaller than similar abilities)

anyway my point is that it's unreliable,you really understimate how much power budget a point click CC takes away

ryze's W prevent his enemies to dodge his Q so it's not too much different,and it invalidates enemy mobility and zone them since it's point click (you can't get near or you get snared and nuked by his combo),if it'd be even an hard CC it would be totally broken

i'm not saying it was the optimal way to nerf him,but this nerf could be bigger than we expect

I have seen the Ahri subreddit and it is pathetic.

there are 2 or 3 delusional people (like in every forum/in real life),but the average it's not a crybaby

DanjengSep 13, 20181 votes

It's a pretty significant nerf tbh, but I agree that he'll still be picked anyway.

DiamondSeedSep 13, 20181 votes

don't talk to me

DanjengSep 13, 20181 votes

Hey why are you so mean to me? I've been nothing but trying to be friends with you. I don't know what I've done to make you dislike me so much.

I considered you a good Ryze player and want to learn from you but you constantly insult me. Whatever it is that I've done, I'm sorry. Just know that I looked up to you and it honestly hurt me a lot when you said things like "get out of my face".