Boards›Gameplay

Opinion on Every Champion's Design based on their kits and counterplay

shroooooomed·8/22/2014, 11:34:03 PM·5 votes·1,273 views

This is based on the design of a champion's kit only, how strong they are based on ratios and numbers are not taken into consideration,

Aatrox - balanced

Ahri - balanced

Akali - needs rework

Alistar - almost there

Amumu - acceptable

Anivia - balanced

Annie - needs rework

Ashe - acceptable

Blitzcrank - balanced

Brand - balanced

Braum - acceptable

Caitlyn - balanced

Cassiopeia - needs rework

Cho'Gath - almost there (silence should be more like sona ult not instant)

Corki - balanced

Darius - balanced

Diana - acceptable

Dr. Mundo - balanced

Draven - passive needs rework, other than that, balanced

Elise - change human form q into skillshot, rest is balanced

Evelynn - need rework

Ezreal - balanced

Fiddlesticks - need rework (him needing to channel and position for his ult is good, the rest of his kit is not something you counterplay, its just something you either run away from or straight up tank)

Fiora - need rework (everything is just point and click and ends up with untargetable ult, her job is basically done after she ults)

Fizz - acceptable (mixed feelings here, his melee range offsets a lot of his ridiculous kit, thought it seems kind of weird that you can't dodge his q like you would for similar abilities -jayce alistar jax etc)

Galio - balanced

Gangplank - acceptable/ probably should rework

Garen - balanced

Gnar - balanced

Gragas - balanced

Graves - balanced

Hecarim - acceptable

Heimerdinger - balanced

Irelia - acceptable

Janna - balanced

Jarvan IV - balanced

Jax - need rework, but acceptable because you can dodge his jump

Jayce - balanced (his harass isn't that spammable and easy to dodge, and there are a lot of things you can do to counter his all in)

Jinx - balanced

Karma - balanced

Karthus - balanced

Kassadin - need rework (his skills are way too instant, so there isn't much of a window to react until he's actually already finished his combo)

Katarina - definitely need rework (resetting aoe damage and most of being good at her is knowing when to go in)

Kayle - need rework (she gets way too much free harass and sustain added with playmaking potential and aoe damage, maybe make her q a low range skillshot for some counterplay)

Kennen - balanced

Kha'Zix - balanced

Kog'Maw - balanced

LeBlanc - acceptable (removing the silence helped a lot, but counterplay against her burst/harass is still really iffy for a lot of champions)

Lee Sin - balanced

Leona - balanced

Lissandra - balanced

Lucian - balanced

Lulu - need rework

Lux - balanced

Malphite - balanced

Malzahar - mostly balanced

Maokai - balanced (I think he just needs numbers tweaked/proc passive less often)

Master Yi - acceptable

Miss Fortune - balanced

Mordekaiser - need rework

Morgana - balanced

Nami - balanced

Nasus - acceptable

Nautilus - balanced

Nidalee - balanced (again, i think just needs number tweaking/make her spear have a real cooldown)

Nocturne - balanced

Nunu - need rework

Olaf - acceptable

Orianna - balanced

Pantheon - acceptable

Poppy - need rework

Quinn - acceptable

Rammus - acceptable

Renekton - balanced

Rengar - acceptable but would want a rework

Riven - balanced

Rumble - acceptable/ maybe get a rework

Ryze - mixed feelings (lack of skillshots means little counterplay for melee, but he is also limited by range so there is counterplay for ranged)

Sejuani - balanced

Shaco - balanced

Shen - balanced

Shyvana - balanced

Singed - balanced

Sion - need rework

Sivir - balanced

Skarner - acceptable (

Sona - acceptable (still feels a bit too easy when it comes to lategame)

Soraka - acceptable (feels pretty boring and lackluster because long cooldowns on important skills)

Swain - acceptable (Only the slow and the snare make me feel like a tactician, rest are boring point and click, not much counterplay if hes ahead)

Syndra - balanced (tho numbers maybe need tweaking and the stun seems to be very forgiving)

Talon - need rework

Taric - acceptable

Teemo - rework

Thresh - balanced

Tristana - rework

Trundle - balanced

Tryndamere - balanced

Twisted Fate - acceptable, would welcome rework

Twitch - acceptable

Udyr - balanced

Urgot - needs rework

Varus - balanced

Vayne - balanced

Veigar - rework (just walking up to people and 1 shotting them is not really fun for them, especially if you can't dodge it)

Vel'Koz - balanced

Vi - rework

Viktor - acceptable

Vladimir - needs rework (he's pretty fun to play, but going against him is terrifying with all that spammable point and click harass/sustain)

Volibear - balanced (you can look for all of his abilities and play accordingly, but his execute animation should probably be more noticeable)

Warwick - definitely needs rework (mostly his ult, can 1 shot squishies while being a supertank)

Wukong - acceptable

Xerath - balanced

Xin Zhao - balanced

Yasuo - needs rework

Yorick - needs rework

Zac - balanced

Zed - acceptable (the last buff seemed overkill, but w/e his kit isnt that broken)

Ziggs - balanced

Zilean - needs rework

Zyra - balanced

I based my opinions on how fun it is to play the champion, and how rewarding it is to play against the champion. Most of the champions that have spammable point and click nukes I thought needed reworks, champions that aren't too bad to play against, but feel pretty boring to play I generally went with acceptable. I also went with acceptable for those that I wasn't completely sure about or was on the edge but leaning towards balanced.

didn't include notes for every champion, but maybe i will later

12 Comments

Sneak Dog8/23/2014, 11:30:49 AM4 votes

This post does really little. It shows what you think of champions, but shows no reasoning. It's fine for you, but I don't know you, I just see a list of champions and your opinion, but your opinion holds no value to me without arguments.

You also don't want to make a thread in which you hold five discussions about five different champions at once either, it becomes too hard to follow. I'd suggest picking one controversial opinion of yours and creating a discussion about only that one for a focused meaningful discussion. (Spamming the board with a hundred threads won't do any good either, imagine if everyone did that...)

Eapenator8/23/2014, 12:34:07 AM3 votes

Yasuo needs rework?

Just remove that wall

Even though veigar has a toxic kit, I think as an intro champion (teaches basic combos etc) he will never be changed into anything meaningful. Think Garen/Tristana/Nunu/Annie/Ashe . Riot stated champions like these will remain relatively simple in order allow some introductory champs. Also these champions are severely limited to doing a single thing.

Now arguing whether they should be 'strong' is a completely different story.

With everything else I Riot definitely wants to add alot more interesting and interactive things that will provide diversity instead of all being point and click bursts etc.

IAmNeverViable8/23/2014, 6:00:38 AM2 votes

you don't based kits on unique identity and health? There's nothing really good about taric's kit. Most of his kit is point/click and either he becomes op or useless depending on his numbers. His kit does not need mechanical skills or knowledge. His kits does not work well together and needs a unique feature/identification of his kit similar to diana's q. Another complain is ryze's kit. his kit just scale regardless if he's behind and no skill or knowledge in playing ryze. This champion really kills rito's philosophy of high risk, high reward. I would like an explaination of why diana is acceptable? Her kit can't be fixed with numbers. She either really bad and falls behind or she become a monster who can assassinate and burst the target while be tanky like bruiser because of her shield. She does have counterplays but no real weakness when she's ahead.

High Lord Blaze8/23/2014, 12:02:25 AM2 votes

I think you're not defining "Weak", "OP", and "Needs Rework" well enough. Some of those champions you listed as "Needs Rework" don't actually need one and are just OP or UP currently.

EzraTwitch8/23/2014, 7:27:35 PM1 votes

Who are you and why should I care what you think?

Serpents Embrace8/23/2014, 2:08:07 AM1 votes

I disagree about Cass. You're saying the core of her kit is flawed? But Anivia's is fine?

Wheatloaf8/23/2014, 3:11:21 AM1 votes

Malzahar - mostly balanced

I like how he has his own classification. Makes me feel special c:

Advacus8/23/2014, 4:35:34 AM1 votes

Can you explain your thoughts on katarina? I personally love playing her, but there is plenty of counterplay with her. So i wouldnt put her on the list of needing a rework.