Laws of the Jungle

Lysdexic1··5 votes·735 views

Hello Boards, I am just a random jungle main who is very happy with this new season. However, due to the jungle's recent increase in popularity I have also been noticing quite a few more people flaming in their games about bad junglers who do not gank for them or other various complaints. So, I thought I would take this opportunity to remind all of the laners out there of some of the general rules that we abide by which help decide our actions inside of a game. This is by no means meant to be a flame post, and i would just like the laners to understand the minds of us junglers a little better. So without any further ado, here we go.

  1. Giving away buffs. Usually we have a couple rules of thumb for this, for example: Is your mid laner losing? How badly? Could they get back into the game by getting this buff, or will it just go to the enemy laner as soon as you do? If the laner is resourceless, we will normally not give the buff away if we have mana. If we are ALSO manaless however, it comes down to who can use the CDR better (usually the midlaner in this case unless the jungler's main ganking tool is gated by high cooldowns (Rammus Q and Zac E for examples). Sometimes it is even acceptable to give the blue to the support (yes, I know, that's blasphemy)

  2. Ganking. This is normally just a situational thing, but there are a few cases where we resolutely won't gank for you. For example if you have been raging and flaming at us all game, even if you are ahead. We don't like you, you are insulting us, why would we help you? If you have fed 3+ kills to the enemy without a jungle gank in a short period of time, we will normally consider that lane lost and try to help the other lanes get fed to compensate. What is going through our minds at this point is "better one lane loses than they all do." I assure all of you laners that it is nothing personal, it happens to everybody and we are not mad at you (well, I can't speak for everyone but I still love you), but we would still like to win and not bandage your ego a little bit. If you are over extending and pushing to their tower despite being way behind, we are not going to help you. That is just a free kill waiting to happen. In an even lane or one you are winning in, sure; because that can easily be turned into a successful countergank. Also, junglers tend to prioritize mid lane for the snowball pressure and dragon control that their damage gives us. So if we are ganking for them instead of your lane please be patient with us, we cannot be on every side of the map at once.

  3. We are not your personal slaves. We are not going to do whatever you want, whenever you want. We have our own job in the game which we have to make sure we are doing, and it is only one part ganking. We have to worry about objective control, farming, warding (my weakness .) and keeping track of their jungler. If we see a good opportunity, or know that the enemy jungler is on his way, we will make a beeline for your lane, but it will be on OUR terms. Pings are still helpful to let us know you are ready for a gank; but please, do not automatically assume that we will. there are also many different kinds of junglers, and you have to make an effort to understand that. There are very passive junglers, like Udyr, who spend most of their time farming up to become a late game nightmare. There are very aggressive early game junglers like Lee Sin and Shaco who have to gank early and often to stay relevant into late game, and there are junglers who are not good at ganking pre-six and may actually be more of a hindrance in attempting to do so, like Warwick and Fiddlesticks.

So, that's it for my list of rules we junglers abide by, I hope you learned a thing or two about why we do what we do (or don't do), and I hope this helps our community become slightly stronger as a whole.

7 Comments

theragingnerd1 votes

if i have died twice i'd accept if u consider the lane lost but if u would gank that would be lovely

Lysdexic11 votes

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if i have died twice i'd accept if u consider the lane lost but if u would gank that would be lovely

And we may, still. However, we have to consider the other lanes. If they aren't in a good spot for a gank and all the objectives are at least managed, we will consider giving your lane a visit. If we believe they are too far ahead and coming to lane will only result in the enemy getting a double/triple, however, we will not.

mvargus3 votes

As someone who plays jungle often I can say that I'll never completely abandon a lane, but if you've already fallen 2 kills behind the other laner I have things to consider.

  1. what is the level difference. Top and mid laners often hit level 8 before I get to 6 and 2 kills can make it a 3 level difference quickly. At that point I'm at a severe disadvantage and need to know that the laner won't leave me out to dry.

  2. where are you pushed to. If the other laner is ahead/fed I'm not going to dive their turret and really don't want to fight mid-river where their jungler might be able to respond. However, if you've lost the outer turret and I can get behind them, I'm far more willing to try to set up a 2v1. (although usually teamfights are already beginning by this time.)

  3. Are you still getting some poke in on the enemy champ? If they are down in health a gank is more acceptable as the odds are better.


I guess I can use my last game from last night as an example. I was playing Amumu and after my first back I tried to visit the lanes when moving between jungles. However, it seemed like our top laner (Teemo) was not doing well. He gave up at least 3 early kills to the enemy top laner (Nidalee). I could have abandoned the lane, but Teemo was putting up a ferocious defense at the outer turret, so I came by several times. We caught Nidalee 3 times, allowing Teemo to come back a little before the laning phase ended. Thankfully Teemo never complained that I visited the other lanes more. However, I'll admit my visits were made a lot easier by the fact that Nidalee was always at half health or less when I arrived. And Teemo paid attention to pings.


Oh, one thing for any laner. Pay attention to jungler pings. I really hate when I go in and the laner doesn't respond and join in the gank. I've had times they could have warned me off, but instead they ignore my pings and leave me to go in and set up a bad situation for myself. That's a quick way to no longer get ganks.

Lysdexic11 votes

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As someone who plays jungle often I can say that I'll never completely abandon a lane, but if you've already fallen 2 kills behind the other laner I have things to consider.

  1. what is the level difference. Top and mid laners often hit level 8 before I get to 6 and 2 kills can make it a 3 level difference quickly. At that point I'm at a severe disadvantage and need to know that the laner won't leave me out to dry.

  2. where are you pushed to. If the other laner is ahead/fed I'm not going to dive their turret and really don't want to fight mid-river where their jungler might be able to respond. However, if you've lost the outer turret and I can get behind them, I'm far more willing to try to set up a 2v1. (although usually teamfights are already beginning by this time.)

  3. Are you still getting some poke in on the enemy champ? If they are down in health a gank is more acceptable as the odds are better.


I guess I can use my last game from last night as an example. I was playing Amumu and after my first back I tried to visit the lanes when moving between jungles. However, it seemed like our top laner (Teemo) was not doing well. He gave up at least 3 early kills to the enemy top laner (Nidalee). I could have abandoned the lane, but Teemo was putting up a ferocious defense at the outer turret, so I came by several times. We caught Nidalee 3 times, allowing Teemo to come back a little before the laning phase ended. Thankfully Teemo never complained that I visited the other lanes more. However, I'll admit my visits were made a lot easier by the fact that Nidalee was always at half health or less when I arrived. And Teemo paid attention to pings.


Oh, one thing for any laner. Pay attention to jungler pings. I really hate when I go in and the laner doesn't respond and join in the gank. I've had times they could have warned me off, but instead they ignore my pings and leave me to go in and set up a bad situation for myself. That's a quick way to no longer get ganks.

Agree wholeheartedly, and i guess the 3+ kills in a short amount of time thing isn't exactly set in stone. There are always exceptions to every rule. Especially if the laner/ jungler has quite a bit of CC and they can keep the enemy from doing very much.

theragingnerd1 votes

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As someone who plays jungle often I can say that I'll never completely abandon a lane, but if you've already fallen 2 kills behind the other laner I have things to consider.

  1. what is the level difference. Top and mid laners often hit level 8 before I get to 6 and 2 kills can make it a 3 level difference quickly. At that point I'm at a severe disadvantage and need to know that the laner won't leave me out to dry.

  2. where are you pushed to. If the other laner is ahead/fed I'm not going to dive their turret and really don't want to fight mid-river where their jungler might be able to respond. However, if you've lost the outer turret and I can get behind them, I'm far more willing to try to set up a 2v1. (although usually teamfights are already beginning by this time.)

  3. Are you still getting some poke in on the enemy champ? If they are down in health a gank is more acceptable as the odds are better.


I guess I can use my last game from last night as an example. I was playing Amumu and after my first back I tried to visit the lanes when moving between jungles. However, it seemed like our top laner (Teemo) was not doing well. He gave up at least 3 early kills to the enemy top laner (Nidalee). I could have abandoned the lane, but Teemo was putting up a ferocious defense at the outer turret, so I came by several times. We caught Nidalee 3 times, allowing Teemo to come back a little before the laning phase ended. Thankfully Teemo never complained that I visited the other lanes more. However, I'll admit my visits were made a lot easier by the fact that Nidalee was always at half health or less when I arrived. And Teemo paid attention to pings.


Oh, one thing for any laner. Pay attention to jungler pings. I really hate when I go in and the laner doesn't respond and join in the gank. I've had times they could have warned me off, but instead they ignore my pings and leave me to go in and set up a bad situation for myself. That's a quick way to no longer get ganks.

if i ping u off don't go in i have some damn udyrs running into heimer

mvargus1 votes

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if i ping u off don't go in i have some damn udyrs running into heimer

If you ping me off I'll turn away from my advance and either go back to the jungle or head to my next objective. The problem is when people don't ping, or just don't pay attention. In the game I described I had one early visit to bot lane. I pinged I was on my way as I passed the dragon pit. The other team's ADC was pushed right to the edge of our turret range, so I headed right in and caught him with my Q. Unfortunately, my ADC hadn't paid attention and didn't follow up until after my stun had ended and the enemy ADC was able to flash away. My ADC's excuse was "I didn't realize you were so close."

djjomon1 votes

+1

I'd like to add the importance of wards as well. Laners, you do your jungler a huge favor by warding even the most obvious spots. Just having that extra vision of where the enemy jungler might be, gives us a huge advantage. It's an advantage to you as well. And definitely worth the 150 gold for 2 wards.

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