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Veigar Nerfs in patch 5.21

Evil Marshmelow·10/28/2015, 7:49:03 PM·2 votes·1,848 views

Am i the only one in thinking that these Veigar nerfs arent going to stop the him from being pretty unbalanced at the moment.

If you havent seen the patch notes, Veigars Q and W are getting a nerf on their base damage,

Q - Baleful Strike MAGIC DAMAGE 80/125/170/215/260 ⇒ 70/110/150/190/230 W - Dark Matter MAGIC DAMAGE 120/170/220/270/320 ⇒ 100/150/200/250/300

I'm unsure about the rest of the community, but i dont feel as though these nerfs address the real problem with Veigar and as to why he's considered to be op at the moment, these changes probably wont make a difference in terms of his win percentage or the threat of having him on/against your team.

To actually balance him out a bit more, its not the base damages that need to be changed, but the scaling on his W and his R. Instead of having it be 1.0 = AP ratio, making it 0.8 = AP ratio should stop him from being as unbalanced as he is, whilst still keeping him as a high damage burst mage.

Share your thoughts on the changes below;

Patch 5.21: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-521-notes (in case you haven't seen it yet)

16 Comments

Zone of Endless10/28/2015, 7:51:58 PM2 votes

What they're doing to these nerfs on Veigar is saying that he has a crap early game and learn to abuse it. So now they're making him even weaker in early laning phase so you can easily out trade him and beat him in lane.

Cynika10/28/2015, 7:56:38 PM1 votes

His real problem IMO is the CD on his E. The CD is way too short late game for such a powerful zoning tool.

But in terms of his damage, he's a squishy low mobility burst mage.

Puynsi10/28/2015, 8:09:41 PM1 votes

Wasnt the R scale already brought down to 0.8?

CrazedPorcupine10/28/2015, 8:13:36 PM1 votes

I was worried they would hit his Ratio's as well. But they didn't so I'm glad. And hopefully he won't get banned as much so I can start playing him again.

Sona Ping10/28/2015, 8:25:45 PM1 votes

The balance of issues of Veigar are going to come from how when Riot did that "mini-rework" they broke his kit a bit. By shifting the power around in his kit and loading it all on Q, they made him into a less interesting and engaging Nasus; a champion that Riot knows, and has the opinion of, having issues in his kit.

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the only problem i see with that, is the fact that the nerf isnt even much, at level 5 Q you lose 30 damage, at level 5 W you lose 20 damage. thats not much at all.

No, that is a lot. Removing some base damage means that the ability is weaker and has lost value. To make up for it, a player would have gain even more AP just to return it to the level it was before. This means that removing that damage has taken 1522 Gold worth of value out his kit. That is like 5 kills worth of power that is now gone.

Shunþo10/29/2015, 4:03:35 PM1 votes

As a VEIGAR main myself I believe that these nerfs will ruin him as a campion and prevent the little master of evil from performing well against most other mid/junglers. A lot of people may disagree with me because they have never experienced him like I have. The "op" powers of Veigar only come after he has tons of stacks on his Q and a few of his first items. The problem with nerfing a champion with NO mobility and the squishyness worse than twitch adc at level 1, veigar is no more than a sitting duck if you miss his E. He will get run down. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that he is not "op" and does not deserve this done to him. I guess I'll just have to find another mid lane main..... :,(

P.S. I'm very upset and so are many other people. RIOT, you done messed up this time. I hope you see this message.