Ornn probably has the worst scaling of all champions

TwitchInMyPants·8/28/2017, 9:16:19 PM·16 votes·7,855 views

We have a lot of reasons to point to why Ornn is sucking so much, delays on abilities like Q/R, small base damage, a passive that's only useful out of combat or super late game...

But the thing that makes the least sense is probably his scaling. A normal tank will have a primary of AD/AP and maybe some HP scaling, but lets check out what Ornn is doing.

Q: Physical damage. 100% AD scaling W: Magic damage. 12% hp scaling for shield E: Physical damage. 30% Armor, 30% Magic Res scaling R: Magic damage. 20% AP scaling

So this is all over the place. There are champions with hybrid scaling like Shyvana, Kayle, and Kog but they at least have a primary damage source (Shyv/Kayle more magic, Kog more AD) and AS will scale both. There's no item that will scale everything in Ornn's kit, you're definitely incentivized to build full tank but while a Maokai or Amumu or Gragas will be able to build Abyssal Mask for late game if Ornn does it his Q and E continue to ticke people. R scaling is pathetic and while Q scaling is good you don't have the AS or level of physical damage to justify items like mallet or black cleaver.

Like I know you like random hybrid scalings Riot, it sometimes makes for interesting builds like healbot Xin Zhao and whatnot but this champion has his power budget focused on late game with the item upgrades yet he can't scale into late game since tank builds mean he has low damage, damage items scale only one part of his kit, and penetration doesn't even synergize with everything. If you don't want to add more ratios at least make Q or E deal magic so he can combo sunfire and abyssal mask and be efficient.

14 Comments

Mianta8/28/2017, 10:00:12 PM7 votes

He's the most realistic and balanced tank to date. There's no reason to be building damage on Ornn, he's a vanguard not a bruiser. I'd recommend items like depending on the situations of course: item 3379 item 3111 item 3047 item 3800 item 3083 item 3025 item 3068 . Any other items are pointless.

Sasogwa8/29/2017, 10:41:29 AM4 votes

It is actually a good thing that Ornn is not overspecialized and hypersynergistic with items like other champions are, because the champions with too good synergies are destroying the game more than anything. I respect Riot on giving Ornn weird ratios and potentially several build paths.

Manzvega8/29/2017, 1:20:22 AM2 votes

I agree, he scales on AP but at the same time scales on AD, kinda doesnt make sense. But I guess its for the fact so people dont build full AP or full AD and somehow be OP lol.

Galiö8/29/2017, 2:14:01 AM2 votes

He has stupidly high base dmg. Just buikd hik flat tank and forget about scaling. Thats why most tanks are strong... they domt scale they just stat check you with better reduction/base damage.

One W and passive and you can chunk 1/4 of someones health. Not including yout aa damage.

His problem is hos Q and E are garbage.

His q is worthless and his E is a worse/more aoe poppy stun.

Wótmá11/29/2017, 8:20:11 AM1 votes

Hey i play ornn a lot of time and my starting item is Doran's Ring becouse its very strong versus meel champions in early game or i use Doran's Shield when i play with a range champ like teemo or vayne.