Just spit balling, but I'm fairly certain that Riot is passively trying to make the game faster paced by making offensive attributes far stronger than comparable defensive attributes. How often do you see tanks getting away alive these days? Thoughts?
(Just to help the thoughts along, the game doesn't reward you for tanking, but it does reward you for killing. Think of that what you will.)
Irelia Bot19 votesNerf armor but also add some items that give AD and health.
I just don't know anymore.
TahmKench Expert8 votesAs a Kog'Maw main, I really really hope that all this health stacking garbage doesn't result in him getting canned and Vayne dancing away unscathed.
Fadedpf11 votesShe already is doing that in her disgusting state
TahmKench Expert4 votesAgreed.
BakedLotion10 votesIts in preparation for the 
and 
#lcsbigplays
JAGMAG2 votes#lc$bigplay$ ftfy
SpiritGear2 votesIts in preparation for the
Zed isnt getting buffs
BakedLotion3 votesZed isnt getting buffs
You're dumb. Please don't comment on anything if you don't know what the thread is about. Thank you. Also, Zed just got buffs.
YumaS2Astral1 votesThe buff that Zed got was pretty minor, though.
Although Zed is getting stronger because tanks are going away.
BakedLotion1 votesThe buff that Zed got was pretty minor, though.
Although Zed is getting stronger because tanks are going away.
Thanks for summarizing what i said in my original comment I guess?
LilxPaprika1 votesat the same time tanks dying easily can actually delay games imo. you need tanks to force objectives dive etc. good tank plus adc = more dmg than weak tank, fleeing adc.
LilxPaprika1 votesat the same time tanks dying easily can actually delay games imo. you need tanks to force objectives dive etc. instrumental at expediting things/ conducive to help adc do their job. good tank plus adc = more dmg than weak tank + fleeing adc.
and dragons buff and baron super minions are ample devices to keep games from taking too long.
Yosuke Apperu2 votesOne team has vayne, one doesnt. You now have a "tank" While the enemy team has a tank.
TahmKench Expert4 votesReally, all you need is the CC. The defense is totally optional at this point.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesIf you are mundo and they have no vayne, you indeed do as you pleases
Lafouboy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Prince Cobalt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NW8IqrZH,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-24T01:15:13.786+0000)
Just spit balling, but I'm fairly certain that Riot is passively trying to make the game faster paced by making offensive attributes far stronger than comparable defensive attributes. How often do you see tanks getting away alive these days? Thoughts?
(Just to help the thoughts along, the game doesn't reward you for tanking, but it does reward you for killing. Think of that what you will.)
Or maybe it is because Tank Meta was ridiculous this season, like all previous seasons, and Riot is just trying to balance them to be less overwhelming (which makes them underpowered instead).
Don't worry, next season Riot will do something to make Tanks fucking crazy once again. This literally happens every year.
TahmKench Expert8 votesI don't really recall there ever being a "tank meta" before this season. In fact, to call that flavor of the month spot a "tank meta" is a bit of a stretch all by itself.
Lafouboy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Prince Cobalt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NW8IqrZH,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2015-08-24T03:53:12.558+0000)
I don't really recall there ever being a "tank meta" before this season. In fact, to call that flavor of the month spot a "tank meta" is a bit of a stretch all by itself.
The fuck are you talking about? How many years have you been playing, because I don't think too many if you have never had to fear Tanks more than you ever had this season.
Seriously, if you think tanks were scary this season, you shoulda seen around Season 2 - 3 (I can't remember exactly when; it has been years afterall). But Riot literally had to talk about how a big problem with traditional tanks in LoL was the fact that having a PVP role that did both lots of damage and could take a lot of damage was really unhealthy. Back then tanks did such things. They were the bane of everyone's existence. And don't even get me started on the bruiser meta from seasons past.
In essence, you know nuffin' Noob Snow.
TahmKench Expert5 votesThat got really out of hand for something that was entirely an opinion.
Lafouboy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Prince Cobalt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NW8IqrZH,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-24T04:00:45.118+0000)
That got really out of hand for something that was entirely an opinion.
And now you know the valuable lesson of: "Opinions can be wrong."
JAGMAG2 votesand now you know the valuable lesson of: "being a dick will get you downvoted"
doiminat0r36001 votesSince when can opinions be wrong? Really? The definition of opinion is a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Davy Crockett1 votesAll hail the meta golem!
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesyou mean the one time tanks could actually survive an adc for more than 5 seconds? God forbid.
insaiyanbacca1 votesit was only really a tank meta right after cinderhulk's release
C9 Scott Free 1 votesSome of the new items are kind of dope though. Deadmans plate seems strong and coupled with Titanic Hydra could make some pretty nasty all ins mid game.
TahmKench Expert2 votesI really like the new Titanic Hydra. It brings back the essence of Atma's without causing some champs to just fly off the map. I've been having fun experimenting with it on Tahm.
DarthSpectrum1 votesWell, after the stat changes from patch 4.20, games got extended from an average 20-30 minutes to ~40 minutes or more.
Due to scaling stats increases rather than linear stats increase, champions can get more potential stats, but are weaker than before until the last 2 or 3 levels. As well, the game requires much more effort to snow ball because an early kill here or there doesn't mean much anymore.
So by nerfing armor, perhaps Riot wants to revert the game time to that of before the SR rework.
TahmKench Expert1 votesIf anyone has stats on actual game length, that would help a lot.
Qarekeo1 votesTo be honest, it seems like they are trying to change the pace of the game slightly with items like Warmog's armor. They intend it to be used on tanks who want to stay out on the field without taking breaks, which probably means more time spent doing things that aren't dying for their team. That, and tanky types now have access to some decent damaging tools and a better time with Zz'rot Portal for pushing.
Overall I think it's a good change and can't wait to see what happens next.
manbearswine1 votesWould make sense if mr got nerfed as well,but it didn't.
Mister Support1 votesRiot is trying to make it so the champions who aren't inherent tanks can't be as effective defensively as those who are inherent tanks. Hence why they nerfed armor items, but buffed the scaling armor on all the champions who are considered inherent tanks. This will create a more obvious gap in armor values for those who are tanks, and those who are more of off-tanks.
TahmKench Expert1 votesWasn't "enforcing role definitions" one of Riot's concerns?
Muh boii1 votesRiot doesn't want to enforce specific lanes positions. When they design a champion they have a specific role they intend for that champion such as an assassin or adc. It might also be valuable to point out that champions such as fizz and ekko who are seen going tanky are incredibly good at dueling even when their intended kit is an assassin and by nerfing tank items it would take away the unnaturally high power given to assassins with items that they don't scale off.
TahmKench Expert1 votesBy that same line of thinking, wouldnt it be grossly inefficient to build outside of your role if you don't scale with something?
Slamurai Jack1 votesHonestly, armor items as a whole were just overtuned for years but kept in check by LW which is also overtuned.
TahmKench Expert1 votesCan you back that up? It seems otherwise.
Slamurai Jack1 votesTry playing a game as an adc and don't build LW. Watch how much damage you do to anyone who builds a decent amount of armor. Hell, go watch a video on youtube of an adc killing themselves on a thornmail even with a BT. Armor stacking has been both extremely gold efficient and slot efficient for years and was only held in check by LW which is itself overtuned.
TahmKench Expert1 votesExactly how efficient was armor stacking? I remember, in practice, that armor stacking as Malphite or Rammus didn't save me from physical damage even if someone did not build a last whisper.
JAGMAG1 voteswhen was the last time you played an Armour stacking champ? i have to kite a champ around forever and a half if i dont have lw and tons of damage i basically need 5 or 6 items to actually burn threw a tank and my items are allot more expensive then the tanks
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesthe counter to thornmail is to have multiple people focus that target. If they're that tanky, they don't deal much damage in most cases.
Keevalroy1 votesThere's no conspiracy - this is exactly what they want to do. Faster games means more chances for flashy plays at Worlds. They've all but admitted to this by now.
Mister Support1 votesIt's not enforcing a role definition as much as it is making it more clear were a champion's strength lies. You can still build people with tank items, but they will be more of off-tanks since their kits have naturally higher damage with a little less natural defense.
DirkTarTar1 votesWould be true if AP items were buffed too. Cost down + AP down meant slower AP snowballing (relatively)
Crett1 votesDamage started ruling this game unchallenged since the assassin meta started creeping up. Even tanks can only compete by (relative to the damage they're taking) outdamaging aggressors, which is just lame
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesI noticed this. It's actually really hard to perform on amumu these days if I didn't get a liandrys into my build.
