But I'm tired of building defense items and just dying through them as if I never purchased them.
When will it stop?
If I build defense I should get a tangible effect. Look at what happens when you build a wall in something like Age Of Empires. You get to actually stand behind it and use it.
Hammermancer2 votesI'm patiently waiting for my 
up in top lane
looking at your previous picks I think you might just want them too
Though i think atmas should be melee only, and should offer adaptive for AP bruisers as a wlel
GigglesO1 votesIts unfortunate that those items are just adding more damage to the "solution"
Hammermancer1 votesIts unfortunate that those items are just adding more damage to the "solution"
But they're offering defensive ad, which honestly is healthier for top lane
then again i'm at the point where i think there needs to be a third stat
maybe Str+agil+int +con for like a four way stat block
bruisers would be str+con
lighter fighters like riven might be str or str+dex
etc etc
Fízz v21 votesbruisers dont need more power tho legit jax camille irelia aatrox all had to get nerfed and they + more bruisers are still broken xd
GigglesO1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NQrPpuHw,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-26T19:07:13.821+0000)
bruisers dont need more power tho legit jax camille irelia aatrox all had to get nerfed and they + more bruisers are still broken xd
HAD? They need nerfs.
Hammermancer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NQrPpuHw,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-26T19:07:13.821+0000)
bruisers dont need more power tho legit jax camille irelia aatrox all had to get nerfed and they + more bruisers are still broken xd
annnnd what other bruisers are actually viable?
seriously
half of the champions released to be bruisers are now forced in to shitty full tank build or are forced into lethality builds
then there are also the lightweight fighters like 
who don't actually have great options past cleaver
Fízz v21 votesWell the best champs in the class are the most viable. but Im not a fan of giving bruisers anything when 
(who is like half bruiser) are pretty much the best champs in both solo lanes
Hammermancer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NQrPpuHw,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2018-12-26T19:43:17.723+0000)
Well the best champs in the class are the most viable. but Im not a fan of giving bruisers anything when
akali is not a bruiser at all
and aatrox is more along the line of a juggernaut
so you hate all bruisers because of who is completely manageable if you play a real champion, which fizz isn't, because he's not a champion, nor is he a legend, he is a lost fishy and should go back to school cuz he's not all that cool
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
that last bit was just a jab though
I see champs like ire as the future of the game, in that they open up more potential counter play but only in the event that all other champions are lifted to that level. In essence when everyone is as overloaded as 
then everyone is balanced
Fízz v21 votesWhat are other bruisers then? Because Jax is op too, Kled Fiora etc. aint bad at all either
Hammermancer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NQrPpuHw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T21:23:32.400+0000)
What are other bruisers then? Because Jax is op too, Kled Fiora etc. aint bad at all either
So i'm going to stay away from juggernauts because frankly i don't see why we would cross juggernauts into this category, since i'm always anal about telling people they're not tanks either so i wont discuss 
Considered to be extremely overloaded, requires skill matchups or hard counters, not many go even in lane with her outside of the champions on this list
Frankly IWD, LS, and Hashinshin are all in agreement: What does fiora really do? Like yeah she wins lane but then what?
Fast horse, haven't seen one in a game in a while
Kled... Probably one of the most fun champs in the game until someone does some %hp true damage on him and ruins his life making him tiny and slow with no damage
(Rhaast) In and out of viability
Only useful when the games are decided in the first few levels during hard snowball metas
Honestly, i never see warwick anymore.
Useless compared to all other viable picks
Yeah he's a bruiser
j4, where are you my prince?
She's on her way back though
Sorta bruisers
Seriously gp, you're something different, but hey We love you
Is currently forced into unhealthy lethality based build paths because bruiser items don't exist for him. this results in an assassin playstyle which goes for a screen and a half away, but is mostly cheese. Jayce mains will often go 8/0 at mid game and will eventually wind up 14/8 at late game... it's gross
Sorta bruiser as in, with less damage output and more defensive itemization that isn't just full tank items she'd be much healthier to handle
Once upon a time bruisers that riot has forced into other roles and are less healthy because of it
Bruiser ekko was fun, Mage/assassin ekko has a stun, mediocre damage, and a ga for an ult.
AP bruiser gragas is legit, full ap gragas is similar to jayce in the sense that it's just cheese due to bad itemization options
Full tank these days
Isn't true damage crits amazing? This might be a false memory but i seem to recall atmas/triforce as his old build when they offered some crit, he'd then go into full tank
He just gets a duskblade now
Yeah seriously, bruiser elise was fun, modern elise is just.. eh... well it's another assassin
I'd play this guy if every time i ulted someone they wouldn't immediately disengage from the fight amounting to me going bot lane to set up a kill but turning up either empty handed or short a flash because my support taric doesn't know the giant purple shield means GO NINJA GO NINJA GO. Shen has been forced into being a full tank since his rework even though his scaling with defensive stats kinda sucks. His old bruiser state was better
I forgot she was in the game, pretty sure she used to go triforce into some other shit but i haven't seen a rek in 6 months.. and i think that was me.. in aram.
Honorable Mentions
Bruiser graves is real
Riot always wants us to build bruiser but then her base damage is so high we always go full tank, either way she is intended as a bruiser but can't really be included
(For clarity i'll make a second post)
Fízz v21 votesFiora seems really good after the buff, Kled Xin and Riven are good too. The others are.. eh
GigglesO1 votesakali is not a bruiser at all
and aatrox is more along the line of a juggernaut
He has too much cc and mobility to be a juggernaut. Hes more of a tank bruiser thing.
Hammermancer2 votesHe has too much cc and mobility to be a juggernaut. Hes more of a tank bruiser thing.
If we can be honest the aatrox rework is an overtuned but clunky piece of shit with no proper placement in the wheel who is both cumbersome to play as and feels like shit to play against, the rework was rushed just to shut people up but in the process they basically deleted the real aatrox playstyle in its entirety.
GigglesO1 votesI'm just posting to somewhat let you know I have no intention of arguing against that sentiment.
I don't think riot really thinks about what they are doing anymore.
The Highest Noon1 votesFun Facts: Defense /= Invincibility Having a shield /= Being damaged Having armor /= Surviving everything
There ARE tangible affects in building defense. It's called "not dying as fast". There's nothing more than that to be expected.
GigglesO2 votesLiving 1-2 seconds longer is garbage though.
Why even build it?
The Highest Noon1 votesLiving 1-2 seconds longer means being in the fight long enough to possibly survive whatever comes your way because there are 4 other players on your team to help you.