So Riot, if you're going to nerf Trundle...

junglerboy16··6 votes·1,972 views

Hey Riot, in the PBE patch notes today, you sent out several extremely severe nerfs for Trundle.

His ult cooldown got increased by to 110/90/80 (a drastic jump from 80/70/60) and had its mana cost increased to 100 from 75. You also gutted his pillar of ice mana cost from 60 to 70/75/80/85/90 (50% increase at max ranks).

These are MASSIVE nerfs to trundle, notably in the support role. If you do this, can you please consider buffing his capabilities as a solo laner/jungler to compensate?

Right now, Trundle is thriving because the meta specifically favors him. Trundle is not OP, he is merely a symptom of the imbalance pervasive throughout the rest of the game (the gutting of armor pen and the prevalence of supertanks in particular) Can you please consider nerving the problem at its core rather than just the symptom? And if you are going to nerf his support capabilities (which are undeniably strong right now) can you please give a little back to us solo lane and junglers who are going to suffer from these nerfs most?

13 Comments

ThePartyLeader2 votes

The game can only be balanced based on the meta.

On a side note was really hoping this was a nerf bat trundle skin thread.

junglerboy161 votes

Take all of my upvote, I wish I had thought of that.

Austinodood1 votes

tbh i feel like these nerfs should only apply on Treeline and not SR

Togekiss241 votes

People play trundle support? This is interesting...

junglerboy162 votes

It's very popular in high elo atm, check out "Valkrin"'s stream, he plays it pretty frequently to great success in challenger/master.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

Yellowstar played trundle support back in the summersplit of EU LCS. It just another example of something being done in the LCS getting copied by solo que. It's no different than the jungle Twisted Fate FoTM from last year.

Primaquarius1 votes

Actually, lets buff his AD steal at later ranks, that way we can deal with crit-happy ADCs

junglerboy162 votes

If they were to change his Q's effects, I'd say the best way to keep from over-buffing his support capabilities while buffing his solo capabilities would be to change the AD steal from a flat amount to a lower flat amount plus a % of his own AD.

For example, say it steals 20 (+15% AD) and reduces the enemy's AD by 10 (+7.5% AD). With only 133 total AD at max rank he would steal exactly as much as he does now. That is a nerf to support trundle (where he needs it) since his base AD is only 111 at level 18, but for a solo lane or jungle trundle (who usually builds 2 damage items, say item 3748, item 3153, item 3071, item 1408, and/or item 3078) he would usually have around 200-250 total AD and would steal about 10-17 more AD for himself and reduce their AD by about 5-9 more. Boom: Solo lane/jungle gets a buff they need, support gets the nerf it deserves, everyone's happy.

Primaquarius1 votes

Let's try 14/22/30/38/46 (+10% Bonus AD) AD gain, and half of this value in their AD reduction

SpectralRaven1 votes

its fervor thats making him and olaf super strong. its absolutely disgusting in lane. hopefully next patch trundle wont do 300 damage with his aa.

doombotMECHA1 votes

uhhhh, dude? these aren't nerfs to supp trundle, these are to balance jungle troll. battle fervor was so powerful on him that he could snowball way out of controll

BLU Medic1 votes

They seem like pretty big nerfs, why don't they do a smaller nerf (eg do a flat mana increase on pillar of ice from 60 to 75) first then nerf more if he still needs it?

the angelm1 votes

Nerf this trash hero either take away his slow or nerf his bite cause it is broken asf

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