So apparently the marksman rework is coming after the Fighters. I've got some questions about that.

Bârd··73 votes·27,260 views

Are we finally changing how marksmen apparently increase their damage by duct taping an Infinity Edge to their guns?

Are the marksmen finally going to learn that it is better to use a knife than a freaking longbow while in hand to hand combat?

Will Ezreal still have no need of a map?

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RiotRiotRepertoir117 votes

Are we finally changing how marksmen apparently increase their damage by duct taping an Infinity Edge to their guns?

Are the marksmen finally going to learn that it is better to use a knife than a freaking longbow while in hand to hand combat?

Will Ezreal still have no need of a map?

Marksmens' identities are closely intertwined with tying swords to their guns and bows; I wouldn't expect this to change. Marksmen are also all strong believers of not bringing knives to gunfights, and to them, all fights are gunfights.

Per this suggestion, if and when we ever get to do some work on Ezreal, his minimap will be disabled, but his sight radius doubled.

Stars Shaper3 votes

Muh uniqueness!

On a serious note I'd like to know if and how much (in terms of what you or others can say) is going to change Varus. I started playing him midlane and it's even more fun than botlane. I do believe that some things might be done in terms of QoL but I'd like to hear what your plans are. Also, is the MM change going also through a change of items?

Razgriz9905 votes

On a Varus note, I already love him he's the adc I turn to, but if he was to receive the Ashe treatment (move w to passive and grab a different skill) he would be great!! I love his immobile long range style, but I feel some tweaks (maybe a VU? :D) could emphasize this.

WarWork2 votes

Will we see more diversified adc or 'marksmen' builds? And will you address this problem adc's find when force to back early and are gold starved?

ZombeezyJeezy49 votes

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And will you address this problem adc's find when force to back early and are gold starved?

That's not an ADC problem mate, that's a player skill problem.

Archenz27 votes

Ouch

ZombeezyJeezy14 votes

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Ouch

Sorry but it's true. I main ADC and the only time I'm being "gold starved" is when I'm getting out-harassed/outplayed in lane. The ADC role itself isn't making you not farm, it's a lack of lane presence and aggression.

Archenz8 votes

I'm a jungle main, I honestly couldn't care less. I just felt bad for him xD, my feelings were fine.

But really, if the jungler is behind, we just afk farm and we k. But I would guess its harder for the adc.

Edit: just let your support be SORAKA and you never have to back

Minrog2 votes

I just watched LGD knock EDG out of the semi-finals of the LPL 3-0. I wish you could have been in there instead of Deft because never having to go back before buying a item 1038 is a tremendous advantage. That probably would have made a huge difference when facing Imp later in the game.

Made you should fill out your application for the pros, they could sure use you.

Old Man Teeto10 votes

I think he's addressing the limited builds you can make with Long Sword, most of the first items ADC's make besides BotRK require a BF Sword, currently the most expensive single component (since the change to NLR), so getting forced out of lane at 1400~ gold means you're either forced to delay your build and go for t2 boots/pickaxe (if going IE) or you're playing someone who can use Triforce/BotRK.

Re-adjusting BF Sword similarly to how they did NLR and creating a few more options would give way more choice and timing opportunities.

WarWork4 votes

That's not an ADC problem mate, that's a player skill problem.

I wouldnt say that, only one of the two adc's can win lane. And if their jungle constantlycamp you and yours doesnt help making you unable to farm safely thus losing lane, does that mean you los because of skill?

Biffolo2 votes

Yea, you lost because the other team played better, and forced you to not farm.

AutoreactiveCD44 votes

No I typically lose lane as ADC cause I suck ass and my support cant carry a guy whose last hitting mechanics are on par with a physically challenged lobster.

Pale Pirate3 votes

This is very nice! I just hope that you won't hurt Vayne too much in the process. I think she already has a very distinctive playstyle and she is very fun to play.

PS You said marksmen don't like knives, but Valor is using his claws. This is wrong. I believe he should launch eggs instead. This would both make much more sense and be more thematically relevant.

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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Marksmens' identities are closely intertwined with tying swords to their guns and bows; I wouldn't expect this to change. Marksmen are also all strong believers of not bringing knives to gunfights, and to them, all fights are gunfights.

Per this suggestion, if and when we ever get to do some work on Ezreal, his minimap will be disabled, but his sight radius doubled.

are you going to make them not 100% requiered? let other sustained damage late game champion take their place?,

Rozzeta3 votes

Hi, Repertoir. I can't help but notice it's Saturday. Don't you take days off?

Ipressbutton5 votes

Are the marksman changes going to do away with crit? I always found it weird that you guys did away with other rpg stats like dodge/parry, but losing a fight because the adc just happen to crit you twice is kinda lame.

Do you think crits (rng) have a place in a competitive game?

Gorgannan2 votes

They like crit because that chance gives the ADC some chance to beat a mage in a 1v1. They would still do more damage overall, but they could ever outburst anyone. If anything, it's a defensive mechanic because it gives them a scare factor that they wouldn't otherwise have.

Dodge was removed because dodging didn't feel awesome, and being dodged felt terrible.

Being crit sucks but getting a big crit feels amazing.

ChargeItDownMid25 votes

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ChaosThief4 votes

So confirmed, Draven... I'm sorry, DRAAAAAAAVEN, will be overpowered.

My Waifu Vanilla3 votes

Now I want a skin that throws infinity edges.....

Blue Moon Wolf5 votes

ultimate skin, 2016 confirmed, he throws what ever his most expensive AD Item is at the enemy.

oribix3 votes

Actually. Infinity edge is not a sword. It is an enchantment. There is an oasis in the Shuriman desert that has magical water. Weapons dipped into the water gain an edge so sharp, they are said to have an "infinity edge".

Basically, Marksmen sharpen their projectiles with magical shuriman desert water.

Chatillon2 votes

MIND BLOWN

Celeste Benal1 votes

Jinx : How does that even work on bullets?

Confron7a7ion71 votes

Think a deep fryer but instead of oil its magic water... And instead of delicious food its a shit ton of bullets.

YaBoiToozie1 votes

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They will just learn how to throw infinity edges

DRaaaaaaven approves

JustMyBassCannon24 votes
  1. Let's hope we get some late-game item diversity like AP just recently gained. It'd be awesome to see specialized items that benefit different Marksmen.

  2. Actually, it would be awesome if Marksmen had a different attack animation at close range. *imagines Ashe stabbing people with arrows*

  3. "I'm never lost if I'm where I want to be."

Clad in Plaid2 votes

{quoted} 2) Actually, it would be awesome if Marksmen had a different attack animation at close range. *imagines Ashe stabbing people with arrows*

CLOSE RANGE?!?!?- Bradford

Imagine that animation with full attack speed JAB JAB JABBITY JAB.

Prospector Pete18 votes

It's funny how pretty much all of the items that adc's get are swords.

Godaren1 votes

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It's funny how pretty much all of the items that adc's get are swords.

what is a phantom dancer?

Delioth14 votes

... A pair of swords...

Godaren2 votes

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... A pair of swords...

oh i feel dumb

SociopathFriend15 votes

I kind of wish the items interacted with one another more. For example, the lightning effect from item 3087 . Just an interesting and low-key feature, make it change colors based on other items. item 3072 Red lightning item 3153 Purple lightning item 3508 Blue lightning

There's just such an opportunity to make some neat interactions for more attractive gameplay- you'd get a greater feeling from buying items- though the word escapes me at the moment. Look at item 3025 - conjures up a field of ice! item 3751 What about a field of fire? item 3074 A blow that cracks the ground? item 3087 A circle of electricity?

It could be done with item 3116 as well! item 3151 Trails of poison instead of ice! item 3285 Purple ice trail!

Even item 3075 could join the party! item 3068 Burst of flame hits the enemy the damage is reflecting to. item 3110 Icy crystals for the same!

They don't have to be massive complex or flashy changes, just let me feel like buying an item does something besides boost my numbers; let me feel like I'm really growing in power. My autoattacks look the same at level 18 as they do at level 1!

Senpanda6 votes

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Will Ezreal still have no need of a map?

Looks like we'll have to wait till the next episode of Ezreal Z to find out

(bad joke im sorry)

Syndrarella5 votes

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Need Gold 4 Tent3 votes

That pic is wrong, Trynd is having no problem holding the sword with his left arm which should be a lot weaker than his right arm.

Vincent Lucius2 votes

Because compared to his usual sword infinity edge is a well balanced, if not tiny, piece of weaponry.

kile1474 votes

Ezreal will never need a map, map awareness is the support's job... kappa

Irelia Bot3 votes

My biggest request is for RNGesus to be removed from the game with the last RNG/pseudo RNG factor of crit chance being removed.

No more triple tryn crits for 140 damage at level 2 giving him an easy lane to win even against a Nasus who bought armor to start.

Instead of the current crit system something like "Weapon Experties" making all autos do 10% more of total AD instead of 10% chance to do double damage would make for a much more skill based match up vs the likes of Tryn so he isn't sometimes winning when he is getting attacked by 8 minions and the enemy champ because he for a string of crits.

The unpredictability of the game should be on the choices of the players, not based on something that is out of the players hands happening or not.

Sassmast3r2 votes

Where did you get this information that, indeed the marksman rework is coming soon?

Aquodox2 votes

Ooooo, i wonder which champions are going to be hit first with the rework. We can probably guess where it would be headed if we look at the Ashe, MF, and Trist. reworks. Looks like they want to reward players by having them get in a few AA to strengthen their abilities.** So are we gonna see a huge shift in ability dependent Adcs (Lucian, Quin, Corki, ect). **

That would be interesting to see. Maybe Taric's rework will reflect this new change of the adc's.

agbudar2 votes

i just want draaaaven to be throwing infinity edges.

jama6552 votes

NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL Z

UrPalAl2 votes

I guess Jayce is the only smart marksmen out there, he swaps to his Hammer to bash people's brains against the floor. And then fires lasers and canon shots at people over range. Smart man he is. I personally believe that rushing Ravenous Hydra, Runan's Hurricane, and 4 Sunfire Capes, is the best way to maximize damage potential.

aaronconlin2 votes

It would be cool if there were more ranged weapon items, maybe the more specialized marksman items could fit this

SouL1ess1 votes

They should remove all AD assassins from the game first.

THEN Marksmen will have a chance at getting balanced around items.

As much as I like all the AD assassins' playstyles, potent AD scalings on abilities warps AD itemization.

Not to mention that AD assassins take advantage of critical strikes (and its RNG component) much more than actual ADCs.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

i hope vayne never changes.... she is my fav adc in the game

Kapparoth4 votes

You are everything wrong with this game. Vayne is excruciatingly painful to play against, and most people (99%) that main her are very toxic.

SlampieceHawke3 votes

Maybe start your opinion geared towards a constructive suggestion or opinion instead of how dumb you think his opinion is? I honestly have been getting a little frustrated against vayne lately, but the funny thing is that I don't think she has received any direct changes at all. I blame item 3153 instead of her.

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