I love people who say a strong champion like zed is weak while....

Genghis Khat·Dec 27, 2018·82 votes·21,128 views

Forgetting about champions like Corki Sejuani Skarner Volibear Kalista Zac Ornn Gnar (im sure im forgetting more) And im not talking about pro play i am talking about solo queue. How dare you even think that your tier 2, 2 screen away assassin with massive burst and escape routes is bad while corki has been dog poo for the past year being tier 5 one of the lowest winrates with no use in any team. How dare you not complain about sejuani being virtually useless now? How dare you not mention ornns 44% winrate? How do you think a 50% winrate assassin is weak? same for shaco, ahri, katarina (any assassin actually) how does your brain think it's okey to complain about your above 50% winrate assassin champs while others can't even be carried by their otp players to 50%?

Please tell me how do you live with yourself when you do this? I swear to i see llstylish complain about zed being weak every week in league compilations and its sickening...

209 Comments

nm1010Dec 27, 201862 votes

Unpopular opinion, Corki literally drains the life out of the game when viable. Just watched someone play him on stream the other day and he killed a katarina from nearly full who landed everything on him with just e, ignite and sheen procs.

Now back to Zed, the character is not nearly as difficult as some people want to act like he is. It took me ~8 months to learn him to the point where I had ~60% win rate in mid plat (his overall win rate was ~47% at the time). Zed does have some obtuse weaknesses that I’m sure get exploited more in high elo, but everyone can’t be Riven and have little to no counter play when mastered (I joke riven mains... kind of). He can easily take over games and I think that he is in a perfectly viable position as an objective stance on the character. He definitely doesn’t need any damage buffs, if he were to get something for high elo play I would recommend slightly more energy refund or allowing r to place Zed within a 100-150 unit circle instead of directly behind the opposing champion.

IP MasquerenaDec 27, 201825 votes

I wouldn't mind that ult buff or energy refund, but then he will have to lose the effect of his passive working on creeps.

I know it helps him farm, but 30 extra damage to creeps level 1 is too much "help" when Riot needed a lot of "decision time" to add 5 damage to Doran's Ring

LeftyRaydyDec 27, 201817 votes

The problem with Zed mains that people think he is weak is simple. He needs a rework and I say this, because zed usually controls everything in lane. If he doesnt want to trade he can sit back and farm with Q, if he wants to poke he can, and then going off that poke he can swap with his shadow and all in. His gameplay is too safe and when he gets ahead it is frustrating. Zed players think he would get basic buffs and there is now way that can happen as he needs tuning that sees his champion to proper risk and reward.

Cats Are FoodDec 27, 20188 votes

Some of us don't think he needs buffs. Some of us think he DOES have a ridiculously easy laning phase. It's what he's picked for by most people.

LeftyRaydyDec 27, 20187 votes

Most of the community is just straight up asking for zed buffs saying he is too weak. I have been saying it forever tweak the dude he is not weak, but needs clear strengths and weaknesses.

Cats Are FoodDec 27, 20182 votes

Where? I've not seen any posts talking about Zed needing buffs.

LeftyRaydyDec 27, 20187 votes

why do you think someone made this post. go on youtube and streamers are asking for it. I mean people said that Faker said "Zed is weak" and riding that all the way now.It is literally been everywhere.

Fire BlaustoiseDec 27, 20181 votes

He needs a rework and I say this, because zed usually controls everything in lane.

wtf ?? he control nothing.

e is weak is simple. He needs a rework and I say this, because zed usually controls everything in lane. If he doesnt want to trade he can sit back and farm with Q, if he wants to poke he can

His main issue is his laning phase is weak during this moment. Ofc it dosnt apply to player from your elo : cause you dont punish him (cause you don't know other champs enough).

His gameplay is too safe and when he gets ahead it is frustrating.

no, his gameplay is safe cause laners and jnglers dont punish him.

LeftyRaydyDec 28, 20181 votes

my Elo? really? I am in plat 1 Elo.

Fire BlaustoiseDec 28, 20181 votes

I know you are (just looking at your avatar). But as you should already know, players of this elo make too many mistakes, and dont punish enough.

LeftyRaydyDec 28, 20181 votes

I think you are confused with other Elo's. Zed can be safe and poke all he has to do is have wave pushing towards him and try to poke down with WEQ combo and then swap if he gets a good hit. He controls the engages and trades in lane especially if he has his shadow. he needs to be tweaked.

Fire BlaustoiseDec 29, 20181 votes

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I think you are confused with other Elo's. Zed can be safe and poke all he has to do is have wave pushing towards him and try to poke down with WEQ combo and then swap if he gets a good hit.

His poke is really weak (unless you really fuck up). And yeah, the wave will be pushed against him most of time. So he lack of pressure.

Zed dont controle the lane. Its your role to punish him when he cs or abuse of your priority. They're a reason why this pick isnt popular in high elo (by high i mean high diams, no low diams). This pick isnt strong enough during laning. And playing safe this kind isnt an option.

If im against a Zed i know the lane is free, unless jungler troll pick. And if im jungler its free too (due to priority).

IP MasquerenaDec 29, 20182 votes

I think 11-12% play rate with almost 30% ban rate in Diamond is "popular enough".

Now, granted we can't know if it's low dia or high dia, but still, just low dia can't add up to a 30% ban rate.

KoKobotoDec 27, 20181 votes

Wait 3/4ths of a year is a long AF time bro WTF LOOOOOL

nm1010Dec 27, 20185 votes

What type of time frame were you hoping for? I put in ~5 games a week for 1 season and got to top 5% or so when Zed was “weak”. That is pretty much nothing compared to the thousands of games I put on Orianna and I didn’t have that much success xD

macspamDec 27, 20184 votes

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Unpopular opinion, Corki literally drains the life out of the game when viable. Just watched someone play him on stream the other day and he killed a katarina from nearly full who landed everything on him with just e, ignite and sheen procs.

That's a little harsh. Corki is similar to lucian but with a later power curve and a better ult (the package). He also does well into assassins early because of his E. But after a little time Katarina should be all over him.

nm1010Dec 27, 20182 votes

Lucian also kills a lot of the enjoyment mid lane when he goes there, but I digress. Corki being able to out early game his ‘counters’ is a problem because he transitions into a wave clear and roaming threat mid game (a better version of most assassins) and scales into a monster late game.

Why should a late game carry have a safer and stronger early game than assassins while also fulfilling a similar role in the mid game?

3TWarriorDec 28, 20181 votes

he's not a carry unless you build him crit, which is pretty bad. With how it is currently, he's only useful for his poke and moderate burst damage, which compared to almost everyone else is awful, especially when 90% of his damage is magic

nm1010Dec 28, 20182 votes

Good thing he really only builds triforce into crit lol.

https://i.gyazo.com/94b9533fed1212b092025e52b9489ba0.png

I guess you can kind of try to cheese gunblade, but it isnt worth imo.

Akali is SO HOTDec 27, 20184 votes

Magic damage critical strikes are fun to play against.

MrGerundDec 27, 201823 votes

i had someone trying to convince me zed is weak af and needs buff because he has earlygame long cd's which made him easy to shutdown is counterplay not supposed to exist or sth? wtf

HahahahyenaDec 29, 20182 votes

someone tried to convince me that it should be normal for a zed to 100-0 a 250 armor leona just because he was ahead

Support 4 LyfeDec 27, 201823 votes

Karma, Lulu, Trundle, Tahm Kench, Shyvana are weak as all hell and have a winrate below 47% and pickrate that doesn't exceed 2% (except Lulu and Karma, 5% pickrate).

Meanwhile Zed is at a 50.5% winrate and a 12.5% pickrate, he's sooo weak wow, so weak that 12% of these players are having an above 50% winrate on a "mechanically complex" champion that is "really weak" right now, let me shed a tear for all those 12 year old Zed mains item 3070

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Zed/

AlicetariaDec 27, 201812 votes

RIP Tahm Kench, they literally deleted his W early game and didn't even bother to compensate him with a single buff or anything, this fucking game....

DeracadaVenomDec 27, 20188 votes

And the damage is so high that he can’t even get 3 passive stacks without dying, and they nerfed his HP

Blackfin97Dec 27, 201818 votes

Zed player : Zed is a weak character and needs buffs. Also Zed player : Build lethality and 1 combos Darius late game.

Zed's probably the only true assassin (I'm not talking of bruisers such as Yi or Yasuo) who can solo kill juggernauts like Darius and tanks like Tahm Kench late game in one rotation. He also has amazing escapes and doesn't need to ward hop or pull any such gimmick out of his ass to run over walls. Yet all I see here are Zed mains trying to defend Zed by crying about how horrible a state he is in while providing no reasoning as to why they feel that way.

l love AhriDec 27, 20182 votes

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Zed player : Zed is a weak character and needs buffs. Also Zed player : Build lethality and 1 combos Darius late game.

Zed's probably the only true assassin (I'm not talking of bruisers such as Yi or Yasuo) who can solo kill juggernauts like Darius and tanks like Tahm Kench late game in one rotation. He also has amazing escapes and doesn't need to ward hop or pull any such gimmick out of his ass to run. Yet all I see here are Zed mains trying to defend Zed by crying about how horrible a state he is in while providing no reasoning as to why they feel that way.

What the actual fuck.

Zed cant solo Darius or tanks. Stop it. Get some help

The only way Zed can solo Darius and tanks is only if they have the IQ of a rock or if they are really really behind. Even with the IQ of a rock, Zed still cant solo them if they arent behind. They are just too tanky and full lethality build cant do anything against armor.

Holy fuuuuuck, that's it. No point in taking the boards seriously anymore. Cant believe how easy it is to lie in this place and get upvotes

Blackfin97Dec 27, 20188 votes

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What the actual fuck.

Zed cant solo Darius or tanks. Stop it. Get some help

The only way Zed can solo Darius and tanks is only if they have the IQ of a rock or if they are really really behind. Even with the IQ of a rock, Zed still cant solo them if they arent behind. They are just too tanky and full lethality build cant do anything against armor.

Is EUW really that bad?

Do you play Darius or are you only a <Removed by Moderation> Zed player?

No, with full lethality he stands a very good chance at beating these tanks 1v1. Darius isn't nearly as tanky as other juggernauts such as Garen, Sion, or Urgot are and does good only in long trades where he can get those stacks in or once he already has Noxian might unlocked (Darius is ONLY an immediate threat when he has Noxian might unlocked). He does terrible against characters he can't hit (such as Yi and of course Zed who is so braindead you can press R and take out most squishes with the next hit which follows).

I see you're a Zed player from the single Zed match on your account and the forums are filled with one tricks trying to defend their mains. It isn't even uncommon to see a Zed run by with Dusk blade + Ghost blade + Edge of might + Mortal Reminder rush in and start ripping apart tanks like armor meant nothing. If you think having 500 AP was strong you should see the other Zed players who rush in with all that armor pen with 500+ AD late game only to be untargetable due to how safe his abilities make him out to be.

I've seldom struggled against Zed in the laning phase (I play Katarina mid lane and it's a skill matchup) but it's after the laning phase where he gets really annoying and starts to two shot people from the safety of his shadow. If you wanna defend a character make sure the character brings some risk to the table along with the rewards.

Edit : Throwing in proof <Removed by Moderation>

http://matchup.gg/matchup/Zed/Darius/TOP

l love AhriDec 27, 20182 votes

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Do you play Darius or are you only a low elo Zed player?

Yes, I do. Darius is my pick when I go top lane.

Low elo? Either your account is a smurf or you're just being ridiculous because I checked your OP.GG and you're also technically low elo

No, with full lethality he stands a very good chance at beating these tanks 1v1.

No he cant. I say this because I am a Zed main. I play Zed a lot and it frustrates me whenever I tried to kill a Garen with my ult and landed all my shurikens and he took no fucking damage.

I play Zed top ~~sometimes~~ rarely. Garen is so easy to abuse until he hits somewhere around level 6-7 and until he gets item 3071 item 3047 . He suddenly becomes invincible

Tahm Kench with armor is also bad, and he gets a free shield? Bummer.

Maokai? Constant healing that even its still annoying after I get mortal reminder because he's so tanky and CCs you all day long

I dont encounter tanks that much. Tanks are dead. Not because of Zed but because of Conqueror and true damage (something which Zed doesnt take and doesnt have)

Darius isn't nearly as tanky as other juggernauts such as Garen, Sion, or Urgot and does good only in long trades or once he has Noxian might unlocked. He does terrible against characters he can't hit (such as Yi and of course Zed who is so braindead you can press R and take out most squishes with the next hit which follows).

I tried to kill Darius with item 3147 item 3142 item 3036 once. He had Deadman's plate and a tabi and he barely took damage. Only lost like 40% HP. Guess what happened after? He grabbed me with his E and proceeded to lube me up. Oh and he got his HP back from Q.

As I tried to escape, I was bleeding. I just realized he W'd me. Oh god! What's he gonna do? AHHHH!!! He's AAing me! HIS PASSIVE!!! It hurts! Oh god... His Q... Its up again... Good thing I have my W for escape! But wait... Why is he so fast??? Oh right... He has Ghost.

DUNK!

"You have been slain"

Zed who is so braindead you can press R and take out most squishes with the next hit which follows).

Only when low health. To take out a full health ADC, I have to land at least an E and 2 Q. Or E > AA > Q. I can only take out with a single E only when I am very fed.

Taking out ADC also doesnt always go successful. Sometimes they get good support and distrupt my kill session. Some ADC like Ezreal also have a blink and Lucian who can dash which makes it harder to land my abilities.

I see you're a Zed player from the single Zed match on your account

This is not my main account. I am from another region and this is just my boards account. I havent been playing Zed recently. Too busy with Nexus Blitz.

and the forums are filled with one tricks trying to defend their mains.

Yes, anyone would try to defend their mains from bullshittery. I checked your account and you play quite a lot of Darius. Are you a Darius main? Why are you trying to defend Darius?

It isn't even uncommon to see a Zed run by with Dusk blade + Ghost blade + Edge of might + Mortal Reminder rush in and start ripping apart tanks like armor meant nothing.

Edge of night is a situational item same with Mortal reminder. Even with item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3036 item 3033 item 3071 , you cant kill a full armor build. I say this from my experience, being dumb and trying to solo a tank myself.

Also, it depends what tank. A tank like Maokai, I'll be dead since he has so much CC and his allies will arrive and kill me

If you think having 500 AP was strong you should see the other Zed players who rush in with all that armor pen with 500+ AD late game only to be untargetable due to how safe his abilities make him out to be.

...Uh... AP is superior though. I'd be glad if Zed was AP ANYTIME! Make him a mana champion too because that would be a fucking huge buff. His energy is just there as a handcuffs to restraint him. Energy only helps laning at early game..

I play Vlad with item 3916 item 3020 item 3135 item 3089 item 3907 item 3152 and he's superior than Zed. He can 1v5 easily. Makes me wonder why I still main Zed instead of Vlad. Oh right, because its satisfying to kill a single target as Zed than 1v5 as Vlad.

Untargetable? only for like 1 second and he literally appears BEHIND YOU. Some Zed put W down before ulting to switch places, and its so predictable. His ult also actually has a cooldown and cant be used constantly in a fight unlike Master Yi

I've seldom struggled against Zed in the laning phase (I play Katarina mid lane and it's a skill matchup) but it's after the laning phase where he gets really annoying

Literally every champion. We all love terrorizing bot lane, brother.

and starts to two shot people from the safety of his shadow.

Yeah, Zed is safe and that's what's good about him. If he wasnt so safe, I wonder how bad he would be.

I remember roaming bot as Ahri and landed a charm on ADC and he died before I knew it. ADCs are so bad. Maybe because I'm a midlaner so I see them as inferior creatures.

Blackfin97Dec 28, 20184 votes

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Yes, I do. Darius is my pick when I go top lane.

Low elo? Either your account is a smurf or you're just being ridiculous because I checked your OP.GG and you're also technically low elo

No he cant. I say this because I am a Zed main. I play Zed a lot and it frustrates me whenever I tried to kill a Garen with my ult and landed all my shurikens and he took no fucking damage.

I play Zed top ~~sometimes~~ rarely. Garen is so easy to abuse until he hits somewhere around level 6-7 and until he gets . He suddenly becomes invincible

Tahm Kench with armor is also bad, and he gets a free shield? Bummer.

Maokai? Constant healing that even its still annoying after I get mortal reminder because he's so tanky and CCs you all day long

I dont encounter tanks that much. Tanks are dead. Not because of Zed but because of Conqueror and true damage (something which Zed doesnt take and doesnt have)

I tried to kill Darius with once. He had Deadman's plate and a tabi and he barely took damage. Only lost like 40% HP. Guess what happened after? He grabbed me with his E and proceeded to lube me up. Oh and he got his HP back from Q.

As I tried to escape, I was bleeding. I just realized he W'd me. Oh god! What's he gonna do? AHHHH!!! He's AAing me! HIS PASSIVE!!! It hurts! Oh god... His Q... Its up again... Good thing I have my W for escape! But wait... Why is he so fast??? Oh right... He has Ghost.

DUNK!

"You have been slain"

Only when low health. To take out a full health ADC, I have to land at least an E and 2 Q. Or E > AA > Q. I can only take out with a single E only when I am very fed.

Taking out ADC also doesnt always go successful. Sometimes they get good support and distrupt my kill session. Some ADC like Ezreal also have a blink and Lucian who can dash which makes it harder to land my abilities.

This is not my main account. I am from another region and this is just my boards account. I havent been playing Zed recently. Too busy with Nexus Blitz.

Yes, anyone would try to defend their mains from bullshittery. I checked your account and you play quite a lot of Darius. Are you a Darius main? Why are you trying to defend Darius?

Edge of night is a situational item same with Mortal reminder. Even with , you cant kill a full armor build. I say this from my experience, being dumb and trying to solo a tank myself.

Also, it depends what tank. A tank like Maokai, I'll be dead since he has so much CC and his allies will arrive and kill me

...Uh... AP is superior though. I'd be glad if Zed was AP ANYTIME! Make him a mana champion too because that would be a fucking huge buff. His energy is just there as a handcuffs to restraint him. Energy only helps laning at early game..

I play Vlad with and he's superior than Zed. He can 1v5 easily. Makes me wonder why I still main Zed instead of Vlad. Oh right, because its satisfying to kill a single target as Zed than 1v5 as Vlad.

Untargetable? only for like 1 second and he literally appears BEHIND YOU. Some Zed put W down before ulting to switch places, and its so predictable. His ult also actually has a cooldown and cant be used constantly in a fight unlike Master Yi

Literally every champion. We all love terrorizing bot lane, brother.

Yeah, Zed is safe and that's what's good about him. If he wasnt so safe, I wonder how bad he would be.

I remember roaming bot as Ahri and landed a charm on ADC and he died before I knew it. ADCs are so bad. Maybe because I'm a midlaner so I see them as inferior creatures.

Darius and Garen are light years apart in terms of tankiness, especially late game when the Garen's scored a few cs.

And no, a Darius cannot grab you when you shadow out or use your ultimate. Check the URL I posted in the last one, Zed clearly wins lane against Darius most of the time.

I'd like to see statistics if you disagree.

ŚhunpoDec 28, 20185 votes

I've seldom struggled against Zed in the laning phase (I play Katarina mid lane and it's a skill matchup) but it's after the laning phase where he gets really annoying and starts to two shot people from the safety of his shadow. If you wanna defend a character make sure the character brings some risk to the table along with the rewards.

Preach it my friend, preach it.

This right here is the truth. Even if Zed loses lane he often just gets fed off of roams since his kit is extremely efficient at getting in and getting out with little to no delay. If he actually had to pick whether he wanted to all-in or escape he'd be a lot more fair, however as it stands he's this outplay machine that does both at the same time. Not to say that he's broken, but he's certainly not weak.

AceBlackDec 28, 20185 votes

What a crock of BULLSHIT

500+ AD late game

500 AD? Are you high?

https://champion.gg/champion/Zed/Middle

According to this, Zed Base AD: 120.8 at level 18, Duskblade +55 AD, Youmuu's +55 AD, Black Cleaver +40 AD, Guardian Angel +40 AD, LDR + 40 AD, Ghost Poro +12 AD, Shards + 12 AD = 379.8 AD. Throw in Elixir for 409.8 AD. Zed steals 15% of an opponent's AD with level 3 ultimate. That means would have to kill someone with 600 AD with his ultimate to make it to 500 AD.

Build lethality and 1 combos Darius late game.

Aside from the obvious idiocy of stating flat armor pen trumping someone who builds tanky armor items, let's do the math here.

https://champion.gg/champion/Darius/Top?

Darius Base Health = 2282.2 + Sterak's 450 + DMP 425 + Spirit Visage 450 + Randuins 400 = 4207 Health total. Throw in Sterak's bonus health shield and you have a 1443 damage shield on top of that. And then bone plating for a flat 150 damage reduction on top of that

Darius Base Armor = 102 + DMP 60 + Randuin's 60 + Shard 5 for 227 total armor.

I'll be nice to you and assume that Zed magically applied maximum Black Cleaver Stacks before he even started his combo.

227 times 0.76 Black Cleaver Armor Shred: 172.52 Armor. This number is then penetrated by LDR so 172.52 times 0.65 = 112.138. Assuming Zed is level 18, 21 Lethality from Dusk + 18 Lethality from Youmuu's + 7 from Sudden Impact = 66.138 effective armor. That's about a 40% damage reduction, give or take a small percent. The funny thing is you're so fucking wrong small percents like that don't even matter.

Zed's bonus AD with the build above is 409.8 - 120.8 = 289.

Zed landing 3 shurikens: 220 base damage + 270% bonus AD = 1443.3 Damage

Zed landing a shadow slash = 170 base damage + 80% bonus AD = 401.2

Zed landing an autoattack for duskblade proc = 100% total AD = 409.8 + 150 true damage

(1143.3 + 401.2 + 409.8 + 150) * 1.55 for Zed's Death Mark + another 409.8 bonus AD from the ult pop. Times all that by 0.6 for Darius armor and bone plating, and Zed's full, 3 shuriken combo has done 2052.879 damage, add about 50 because I can't be arsed to calculate the true damage separately.

Not only have you failed to one-combo Darius, you've failed to even get him below 50% health for Zed's passive to do anything. Electrocute, Zed's passive, and whatever AD you've scrounged up from Zed's ultimate would have to do 2154 damage through armor on their own just to get through the rest of Darius's health. On top of that, they'd have to get through another 1443 damage to get through Sterak's shield, again through armor. Unless you plan to try and engage a Darius in an auto attack duel and count that as "part of a combo".

TL;DR You're wrong. Entertainingly, astonishingly wrong. Anyone who can do grade-school level of math can see how wrong you are. Anyone who'd played this game for more than 6 minutes can see how wrong you are. And yet your comment, stating that a Zed can ONE COMBO A LATE GAME DARIUS, has several upvotes. I hope to God Riot never, ever takes these boards seriously.

Blackfin97Dec 28, 20182 votes

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What a crock of BULLSHIT

500 AD? Are you high?

https://champion.gg/champion/Zed/Middle

According to this, Zed Base AD: 120.8 at level 18, Duskblade +55 AD, Youmuu's +55 AD, Black Cleaver +40 AD, Guardian Angel +40 AD, LDR + 40 AD, Ghost Poro +12 AD, Shards + 12 AD = 379.8 AD. Throw in Elixir for 409.8 AD. Zed steals 15% of an opponent's AD with level 3 ultimate. That means would have to kill someone with 600 AD with his ultimate to make it to 500 AD.

Aside from the obvious idiocy of stating flat armor pen trumping someone who builds tanky armor items, let's do the math here.

https://champion.gg/champion/Darius/Top?

Darius Base Health = 2282.2 + Sterak's 450 + DMP 425 + Spirit Visage 450 + Randuins 400 = 4207 Health total. Throw in Sterak's bonus health shield and you have a 1443 damage shield on top of that. And then bone plating for a flat 150 damage reduction on top of that

Darius Base Armor = 102 + DMP 60 + Randuin's 60 + Shard 5 for 227 total armor.

I'll be nice to you and assume that Zed magically applied maximum Black Cleaver Stacks before he even started his combo.

227 times 0.76 Black Cleaver Armor Shred: 172.52 Armor. This number is then penetrated by LDR so 172.52 times 0.65 = 112.138. Assuming Zed is level 18, 21 Lethality from Dusk + 18 Lethality from Youmuu's + 7 from Sudden Impact = 66.138 effective armor. That's about a 40% damage reduction, give or take a small percent. The funny thing is you're so fucking wrong small percents like that don't even matter.

Zed's bonus AD with the build above is 409.8 - 120.8 = 289.

Zed landing 3 shurikens: 220 base damage + 270% bonus AD = 1443.3 Damage

Zed landing a shadow slash = 170 base damage + 80% bonus AD = 401.2

Zed landing an autoattack for duskblade proc = 100% total AD = 409.8 + 150 true damage

(1143.3 + 401.2 + 409.8 + 150) * 1.55 for Zed's Death Mark + another 409.8 bonus AD from the ult pop. Times all that by 0.6 for Darius armor and bone plating, and Zed's full, 3 shuriken combo has done 2052.879 damage, add about 50 because I can't be arsed to calculate the true damage separately.

Not only have you failed to one-combo Darius, you've failed to even get him below 50% health for Zed's passive to do anything. Electrocute, Zed's passive, and whatever AD you've scrounged up from Zed's ultimate would have to do 2154 damage through armor on their own just to get through the rest of Darius's health. On top of that, they'd have to get through another 1443 damage to get through Sterak's shield, again through armor. Unless you plan to try and engage a Darius in an auto attack duel and count that as "part of a combo".

TL;DR You're wrong. Entertainingly, astonishingly wrong. Anyone who can do grade-school level of math can see how wrong you are. Anyone who'd played this game for more than 6 minutes can see how wrong you are. And yet your comment, stating that a Zed can ONE COMBO A LATE GAME DARIUS, has several upvotes. I hope to God Riot never, ever takes these boards seriously.

You're either terrible at math, using Google, or both.

Zed can, and definitely hits that level of AD.

https://youtu.be/6QnNjq53Sjc https://youtu.be/2UA1T2PGekY ion

AceBlackDec 28, 20183 votes

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Blackfin97Dec 28, 20183 votes

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https://youtu.be/6QnNjq53Sjc

February, 2018.

Did you check the dates or did you just start writing a novel out of sheer will?

Here's another one within the last year where his steroid works just fine i taking his ad ery close to 500.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHywj-mYios

Zed geniusDec 27, 201816 votes

The fact that there are other weak champions doesn't mean zed is not weak. It just means he is not the weakest champion in the game

ZardoDec 27, 201828 votes

No, but the fact that zed has a large pickrate with above a 50% winrate in kr plat+ means that he most likely isn't weak, especially for a single target AD assassin.

http://www.op.gg/champion/zed/statistics/mid

AirKingNeoDec 27, 20184 votes

7% isn't a large big rate. That's pretty healthy.

ZardoDec 27, 201815 votes

It's on the higher end of the bell curve, especially considering the highest mid is only 4% higher

Edit: Point is, he only has a 4% lower pickrate than the most picked mid, has a decent winrate despite the fact that he's a "high skill ceiling" AD assassin who screws up teamcomps. He is not weak.

SxodaDec 27, 20181 votes

he's a low elo stomper, still a weak champion

ZardoDec 27, 20188 votes

plat+ kr is low elo?

14daysuspensionkDec 27, 201812 votes

I get downvoted for complaining about Zed lul.

THE RlVER KlNGDec 27, 201811 votes

tahm kench is dead

BLIGHTBRINGERDec 27, 201810 votes

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/62/Skarner_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20181110204111

"The Crystal Scar is weeping." item 3070

TheMysticWarDec 27, 20184 votes

Every champion on that list besides Skarner deserves to be shit

Cats Are FoodDec 27, 20189 votes

No champion deserves to be shitcanned, just because you don't like them.

MimrDec 27, 201813 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NKJYbOEH,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2018-12-27T17:00:13.309+0000)

No champion deserves to be shitcanned, just because you don't like them.

Except Yasuo

Cats Are FoodDec 27, 20187 votes

Yasuo is mechanically bullshit, and was designed to be bullshit, so that's fair.

TheMysticWarDec 28, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cats Are Food,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NKJYbOEH,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2018-12-27T17:00:13.309+0000)

No champion deserves to be shitcanned, just because you don't like them.

YEAH Kalista Sejuani Ornn Zac Volibear Gnar SHOULD BE STRONG RIGHT LMAO